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Old Jun 17, 2011 | 4:44 am
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Originally Posted by nco4242
I recently flew to Mexico and on entering security at departure airport FAT was told my bags and clothes tested positive.
This would mean that if it were customs, it would be preclearance for Mexican customs at FAT, correct?
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Old Jun 17, 2011 | 5:02 am
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Originally Posted by Bart
And this was TSA? Not Customs?
Considering what TSA has been done in Newark and Hawaii why would you be surprised?
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Old Jun 17, 2011 | 5:14 am
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Does customs generally get involved in resolving security alarms on outbound international flights?
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Old Jun 17, 2011 | 7:53 am
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Originally Posted by Bungnoid
Whereas if they had left your clothes on but used their magic technology to look through your bra and panties to see what is underneath, that would have been perfectly within their rights and powers.

Could someone please explain this to me?
In my opinion, TSA is NOT within their rights to use a NoS, or any form of visual / imaging inspection underneath clothing. They assert they are within their powers to do both.

Originally Posted by nco4242
Where were your belongings while this violation was going on? Did they bring them into the room with you or leave them outside? The handbag was handed off to another person and handed back to me as I left, I checked it when it was handed to me and every thing was in order. Well not quite the camera was on but that was it.
Underlining mine to indicate the question that nco4242 is replying to. There is the potential here that the screeners examined the photos in the camera, which is clearly outside their authority to screen only for W/E/I.

PLEASE submit a complaint to DHS, TSA, your Senators and Representative, ACLU, EPIC, etc!
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Old Jun 17, 2011 | 8:08 am
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Originally Posted by nco4242
The handbag was handed off to another person and handed back to me as I left, I checked it when it was handed to me and every thing was in order. Well not quite the camera was on but that was it.
Why is the TSA snooping through passengers' cameras?
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Old Jun 17, 2011 | 8:10 am
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Originally Posted by Caradoc
Why is the TSA snooping through passengers' cameras?
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Old Jun 17, 2011 | 8:25 am
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Originally Posted by Bart
Not trying to be defensive here, but I am really curious if this was a Customs inspection because our uniforms are too damn alike.

By the way, for those who don't know, I've always opposed the current TSA uniform. I do not like the LEO-like appearance. I am more for the khaki and pullover appearance because it is more practical, whether working checkpoint or checked baggage. I disagree with the whole notion that metal badges make us more professional, and, having carried a badge for over 20 years, I see a lot of potential problems that come with just having a badge.

At any rate, this would not be the first time that CBP was mistaken for TSA.
Good post - similar AUX and P/T police officers who wear a police uniform and possibly even drive a CVPI... with the only difference being AUX marked somewhere on the car and AUX appearing somewhere on a patch...when a member of the public sees the uniform and the car...and they need assistance, they don't distinguish, they just go to them for help. The problem is many AUX officers are not allowed to carry. I can see how that could happen between CBP and TSA. It is possible that there is confusion here.

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Old Jun 17, 2011 | 8:26 am
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Originally Posted by Caradoc
Why is the TSA snooping through passengers' cameras?
If it powers up, it's a camera, not a bomb disguised to look like a camera. That would be the security premise for turning on a camera/laptop/other electronic device.
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Old Jun 17, 2011 | 8:28 am
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Originally Posted by Lara21
What do you think she meant in her oral statement about TSA and strip searches?

Her oral statement sure didn't have a answer of no TSA would not do that to the passengers.
You misunderstand the nature of oral arguments in an appeals court. The questions are very often (as in this case) hypotheticals meant to explore the boundaries of what the advocate perceives to be the law. There's been no posted transcript of the hearing, but knowing the way these arguments work, I'm almost certain you are misinterpreting what was said.

The way I understand the exchange, the court was trying to address the issue of regulatory authority, whether TSA needs to have a formal regulatory process or can just make a change in checkpoint procedures without such a process. TSA was claiming the latter. To explore the boundaries of that, the court asked a question, specifying what everybody understood would be an unacceptable procedure. The TSA's answer was that was no matter what the procedure, they didn't need to go through a formal regulatory process. The discussion there was about the process of changing the procedure, not the acceptability of specific procedures, and indeed the US attorney said that such a procedure would have 4th Amendment issues.

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Old Jun 17, 2011 | 8:28 am
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Originally Posted by Mabuk dan gila
If it powers up, it's a camera, not a bomb disguised to look like a camera. That would be the security premise for turning on a camera/laptop/other electronic device.
Or so they'd have us believe. Real security personnel make the person carrying it turn it on, not remove the device from the person and take it somewhere else to turn it on.

If they really thought it might be a bomb, why are they playing with it?
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Old Jun 17, 2011 | 8:40 am
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Originally Posted by Bart
I'm still not convinced that this was a TSA search. There is nothing in the TSA SOP that requires officers to instruct or force passengers to remove blouses or otherwise strip down to the bra.

With the term "at security" applying loosely, I am curious if this was an inspection by customs. If so, I can't comment because I don't know their procedures.

If it was TSA (and that's a big IF), then I fully agree that the OP has a very legitimate complaint. But I have yet to be convinced that TSOs were involved.
The OP stated this was when being screened for departure at FAT. Since you don't clear customs when departing the US on an international flight, I think it's safe to say with 100% certainty that these actions were performed by TSA smurfs.
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Old Jun 17, 2011 | 9:06 am
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The OP stated this was when being screened for departure at FAT. Since you don't clear customs when departing the US on an international flight, I think it's safe to say with 100% certainty that these actions were performed by TSA smurfs.
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Old Jun 17, 2011 | 9:08 am
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Originally Posted by Caradoc
Or so they'd have us believe. Real security personnel make the person carrying it turn it on, not remove the device from the person and take it somewhere else to turn it on.

If they really thought it might be a bomb, why are they playing with it?
Excellent point! What if turning if turning it on resulted in a detonation...oh, never mind....wishful thinking again! </sarcasm>
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Old Jun 17, 2011 | 9:08 am
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Originally Posted by Caradoc
Or so they'd have us believe. Real security personnel make the person carrying it turn it on, not remove the device from the person and take it somewhere else to turn it on.

If they really thought it might be a bomb, why are they playing with it?
Correct. Overseas I have been asked to power up devices by foreign security screeners on a number of occasions. In every case they asked me to power up my device, visually verified it powered up and then asked me to turn it off.
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Old Jun 17, 2011 | 9:14 am
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Originally Posted by Bart
I'm still not convinced that this was a TSA search. There is nothing in the TSA SOP that requires officers to instruct or force passengers to remove blouses or otherwise strip down to the bra.

With the term "at security" applying loosely, I am curious if this was an inspection by customs. If so, I can't comment because I don't know their procedures.

If it was TSA (and that's a big IF), then I fully agree that the OP has a very legitimate complaint. But I have yet to be convinced that TSOs were involved.
Nice change of terms Bart. At first you called the OP a liar and said they were never strip-searched, now you claimed they were never strip-searched "by the TSA". Way to go.
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