PV speaks out on Phil's case
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TSA verification processes must proceed quickly and without interference. Any passenger holding a camera in the face of TSOs as they try verify identification should not be surprised if asked to step aside so that other passengers in line can be processed expeditiously without further disruption.
I find this to be quite chilling. That I am recording an interaction with the TSA with no impediment to the TSO doing his job can be grounds for stopping the procedure is unconscionable.
Amazing. These particular TSA clowns want to be able to put their hands on our testicles any dam* time they want, and yet they object to the relatively slight intrusion of a video camera in a public place?
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Its weasel self serving words.
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And the irony is that video cameras are filming a lot of these screening checkpoints anyway, but those are cameras whose footage can be made to more quietly appear or disappear as the government propaganda hands deem useful to the government. The government wants the power to discredit its citizens with footage without being subjected to the power of its citizens discrediting the government's claims with video footage not fully under the control of the government and its apologists.
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Exactly. Every country puts out propaganda, and our government in the US has been doing so for a long, long time too. It is just that the DHS/TSA propaganda machine is more obvious in that it has been built by people who behave like little children of the worst sort to try to take advantage of all the other children and manipulate gullible "adults" who ought to know better.
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Apologies for the derail in advance.
Phil, quick question.
When I go out in meatspace (also known as the real world) and I describe this case to people, is "Mocek" pronounced "Mosek" or "Mokek"?
Phil, quick question.
When I go out in meatspace (also known as the real world) and I describe this case to people, is "Mocek" pronounced "Mosek" or "Mokek"?
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pronunciations of Mocek
Accurate answer: That depends on whose pronunciation you prefer. Likely candidates are mine and my parents', and they're not the same.
- My ancestors in the Czech Republic, distant family, and Polish Mocek friends pronounce it something like MOE-tseck, MUT-seck, or MOOT-seck (with "oo" like in "foot"). The "o" sound is a foreign sound somewhere between a hard "o" (like in "flow") and the vowel sound in "foot". The "e" may be more of a shwa sound over there.
- My American relatives (great-grandparents emigrated from Czechoslovakia to Texas) pronounce it like MAH-sick.
- English-centric people who read the name but haven't heard it tend, in my experience, to say MOE-seck or MOE-check.
- As of about two years ago (during a time at which most people with whom I had regular contact knew me primarily as just "Phil"), I pronounce it MOE-seck or MOE-səck (with a barely-audible shwa). I think it's the closest Englishification of the Czech name, and causes less confusion between eyes and ears.
I don't have a strong preference.
Changing the way I pronounce my name has been kind of strange. Sometimes I introduce myself and noticeably "mispronounce" my own name before correcting myself. Saying it the new way still feels rather awkward, but I'm pressing on. "Mossick" was always strange, though familiar.
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No, actually I didn’t imply anything. I said outright that there is a difference between “not guilty” and “innocent”, and that everyone here knows the difference. I also said that I do not expect the other posters to admit that they either know or understand the difference, after all it would be like admitting that Phil was guilty and that one of their own was wrong in his actions.
We all know that there are far too many cases in our nations court system where a guilty person has been found innocent by a jury. After all, it is a precept of our system that it is better to find 100 guilty persons innocent than to find one innocent person guilty, and it’s a precept that I happen to agree with. That precept does not change the fact that “not guilty” is in no way the same as “innocent”.
We all know that there are far too many cases in our nations court system where a guilty person has been found innocent by a jury. After all, it is a precept of our system that it is better to find 100 guilty persons innocent than to find one innocent person guilty, and it’s a precept that I happen to agree with. That precept does not change the fact that “not guilty” is in no way the same as “innocent”.
I was aware of the ID and photography laws but my first reaction on hearing about the case only recently was that surely he must have rude or refused to cooperate. Now having watched the video and read summaries of the testimony I am astounded that he was arrested in the first place. I am curious how you, or anyone else, conclude that he was guilty or might be. Well actually, I would be particularly interested in a TSO response. How would you have responded? What other type of passenger behavior results in arrest?
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Lots of people figured I was probably a bit rude until they saw the arrest video
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You were not alone in that suspicion. Imagine how many people have been convicted or plead guilty to things they did not do because they had no video evidence to rebut lies like those of Officer Dilley. This wasn't a situation in which he exaggerated or used slightly different words. The text of the criminal complaint was riddled with falshoods.
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You were not alone in that suspicion. Imagine how many people have been convicted or plead guilty to things they did not do because they had no video evidence to rebut lies like those of Officer Dilley. This wasn't a situation in which he exaggerated or used slightly different words. The text of the criminal complaint was riddled with falsehoods.
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TSA verification processes must proceed quickly and without interference. Any passenger holding a camera in the face of TSOs as they try verify identification should not be surprised if asked to step aside so that other passengers in line can be processed expeditiously without further disruption.
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After reading the propaganda I called one of my reps here in Utah, Chaffetz and asked the BB be added to the Congressman's TSA list for inquiry. I specifically asked the position be removed from funding. After all budget cuts need to start somewhere. I guess if I am on a list, BB can be on a list :-)
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After reading the propaganda I called one of my reps here in Utah, Chaffetz and asked the BB be added to the Congressman's TSA list for inquiry. I specifically asked the position be removed from funding. After all budget cuts need to start somewhere. I guess if I am on a list, BB can be on a list :-)