if certain members who post here and are allegedly employed by the agency, are an indication of the majority of the clerk population - I imagine they would feel it is part of their greater Americaness and they would embrace it wholeheartedly - "9/11", "think of the children", "anything for security", "out of an abundance of caution"...

Now you just insulted the oldest profession on the planet and one that only gives you their "enhanced pat down" to make you feel good

Unlike the TSA's enhanced pat down.




I just got a mental picture of Nappy standing on a street corner in fishnets and bright red lipstick. And Pissy as her pimp in a tricked out Cadillac.

I need to go soak my head in clorox now

except you have them the wrong way around...

This is the same union which protects the jobs of seriously incompetent IRS employees. IRS managers will often endorse these people for promotion as this is the only way to get them moved elsewhere.

And actually gives value for money spent. Point taken. My intent was to show that job seekers who admit to being part of the TSA crotch-grab may find prospective employers less than eager to hire.

You forgot the fur coat, velor hat, and gold knuckle-dusters for keepin dem .....es in line.

Agreed. Eew.

Double Eew.

The issue of no chain of command or ombudsman and retaliation for a traveler to challenge anything TSA is an ongoing problem and unionization of TSA will not help the traveler.

I, as a citizen, do not support union representation for TSA employees but when did anything a mere citizen believe have any impact on TSA?

What is needed is an oversight organization made up of citizens who can correct TSA wrongs since TSA does not hold itself or its employees accountable.

Rephrasing (bolding mine):

Your point is noted and I do agree not all TSOs are unprofessional troglodytes, but I am just saying it could easily be switched around.

I think this union thing could be a two-edged sword. Yes it will become difficult to get rid of the bad apples, yet any new procedures would also need union approval. I wonder how the groping would have gone over if the TSOs were unionized when announced?

The TSA makes me want to puke on a dialy basis.

A unionised TSA makes me want to puke on an hourly basis.

No good can come of this.

Ciao,
FH

Will a unionized TSA push for a crack-down against passengers opting out of the strip search machine procedure?

A unionized TSA is going to become an even worse monster than the TSA already is.

It depends largely on how bad the working conditions are. If it's as bad as many of the officers I have spoken with say it is, the improvement in morale and a feeling of control over working conditions could greatly improve our experience as passengers. Having been a union worker for 21 years, I feel much better about my job knowing it is there, and do better work because of it.

I would be willing to bet that one of the first things a TSA union would do is try to get rid of or severely curtail the enhanced pat-downs as they exist now. That doesn't mean they'll succeed in doing it, of course. It's demeaning to the customers and the workers, and no union will stand for that without a fight. I would imagine they would fight for a full investigation into the safety of the nude-o-scopes, determine which ones if any are safe, and use those -- at least two at each implementation site, one for males, one for females, with a same-sex officer on the scanners. That would be typical union tactics.

SR

"Could" and "will" are separated by a huge chasm.

They'd probably push for an elimination of passengers having choices.

A unionized TSA won't be a friend of passenger rights.

Have you seriously taken a look at some of the people the TSA has hired?

They wouldn't work better because they know they have a job. If anything they are going to become NAZIS......YES I SAID IT.........NAZIS.

They already BARK orders and are so RUDE in some airports that if they talked to people like that outside of the blue shirt and tin badge they'd find themselves on the receiving end of a fist or shoe.


1st the enhanced pat downs wouldn't be stopped or curtailed. Nappy & Pissy aren't going to stop these or they would have during this past Thanksgiving when it was being flashed around the news. They both stated this wouldn't stop.

2nd the implementation of the AIT/WBI also came from the TOP......a lowly unionized TSA isn't going to stop the deployment of these machines.




Typical union tactics........the only thing typical about a unions today are DUES.


A union isn't going to improve morale. If you've talked to TSO's and they complain about bad working conditions that's too bad. If they don't like it they can quit. But they won't because there are no jobs in this fraking country anymore. So they will continue working for an organization that LET'S them have a bit of power and they love it.

And don't think they work hard. Standing around, looking at ID's and monitors doesn't take a rocket scientist. And let's pretend they're keeping you safe. Oh please.

Even someone with a GED can work for the TSA. That's promising for anyone with no goals or skills.



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Not to mention the perks of free consumer electronics that can be gleaned from the sheeple... er, ah, "passengers" who've been bludgeoned into compliance.

Add in the complete lack of accountability, and you've got a recipe for thuggery on a massive scale.

Why can't the BDOs detect the thieves and molesters in the TSAs ranks?

(Yes, that's a rhetorical question.)

I wouldn't bet on it.

It's been my experience that unions exist to insure that the shop steward's lazy brother-in-law remains employed.

If the unions proactively culled their ranks of those wastrels, I'd probably have a better opinion of the unions.

Based on my personal observations the working conditions must be fine. I have yet to see a TSA checkpoint without any number of people standing around doing nothing.

A new story at Fox regarding TSA union efforts.

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2011...-sector-trend/

Not a good news day for us at FT.