What will TSA do tomorrow ?
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I will probably venture to FLL for a few hours to get a gage of how things are going. The nice thing about (at least) the B and C checkpoint is that there are always people waiting for family/friends getting off planes, so I can blend in there...D is a cluster**** and I'm not sure about E,F,and H but I wouldn't touch the Spirit concourse with a 10 foot pole and, let's be honest, 99.999999% of people flying on Spirit don't have a clue about anything, let alone airport security
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I think we may see less invasive pat downs like were done in the past, with back of the hand and asking you to turn down your pants waistband. That gives the impression that they're still looking for terrorists but avoids the public spectacle.
Separately I'm guessing the LEOs will be asked to vigorously enforce the photo/video policies of the airport. Since it's not clear when you walk in the terminal if the airport authority allows recording, we'll probably hear about a rash of phone/camera confiscations.
What will make it even more interesting is what the news outlets will do. Will they try to broadcast from the checkpoints? Will the airport authority keep them far away? Will we see a lot of feel good reports with smoothly running checkpoints and happy passengers accepting the AIT scan?
I fly on Thursday, hopefully it's a quiet day.
Separately I'm guessing the LEOs will be asked to vigorously enforce the photo/video policies of the airport. Since it's not clear when you walk in the terminal if the airport authority allows recording, we'll probably hear about a rash of phone/camera confiscations.
What will make it even more interesting is what the news outlets will do. Will they try to broadcast from the checkpoints? Will the airport authority keep them far away? Will we see a lot of feel good reports with smoothly running checkpoints and happy passengers accepting the AIT scan?
I fly on Thursday, hopefully it's a quiet day.
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Perhaps I am pessimistic, but I don't think tomorrow will be much of a problem for TSA. First of all, they don't care - as a government agency, they are not responsible for a bottom line or a product, and I'm fairly certain supervisors are not compensated based on turn-time. But more specifically, I don't think most travelers are even cognizant of NOOD. Many of those who are peripherally aware don't care, or even overtly support NoS. Sadly, I fear strong opposition to current TSA practices is largely a phenomenon reserved for frequent business travelers who have to put up with this madness week after week rather than once in a blue moon. I foresee the overwhelming majority of holiday passengers smiling as they walk through the NoS.
Perhaps it would have been better to have an opt-out day on a heavy business travel weekday - a non-holiday. Perhaps a Thursday. Fewer strains on TSA and airports, but a higher percentage of opt-outs. I don't have the answers by any means, just thinking out loud.
Perhaps it would have been better to have an opt-out day on a heavy business travel weekday - a non-holiday. Perhaps a Thursday. Fewer strains on TSA and airports, but a higher percentage of opt-outs. I don't have the answers by any means, just thinking out loud.
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If I'm a TSA checkpoint supervisor, here's my plan.
Business as usual. If enough people require pat-downs that there's a backlog, I put those folks into separate lines so it doesn't back up the folks willing to go thru the scanners. And I have separate lines for the opt outs vs the folks who either alarm the scanner or can't use the scanner due to disability - and then give priority for the pat downs to the latter group That way, the only ones getting delayed by the opt-outs are the opt-outs themselves. Result is no negative PR from either having to shut down the scanners or delaying the "innocent". Folks who miss their flight becasue they chose to opt out won't get much sympathy, sadly.
Business as usual. If enough people require pat-downs that there's a backlog, I put those folks into separate lines so it doesn't back up the folks willing to go thru the scanners. And I have separate lines for the opt outs vs the folks who either alarm the scanner or can't use the scanner due to disability - and then give priority for the pat downs to the latter group That way, the only ones getting delayed by the opt-outs are the opt-outs themselves. Result is no negative PR from either having to shut down the scanners or delaying the "innocent". Folks who miss their flight becasue they chose to opt out won't get much sympathy, sadly.
I thought about that; however, there are plenty of people that legitimately cannot pass through WBI without requiring a pat down. So in your line of 20+ protesters that theTSA is punishing by taking their time, now have to queue up anyone in a wheelchair or with a metal (ex: hip) implant.
How is that going to look when grandma/pa misses her flight home to thanksgiving because the TSA was too slow ? She submitted to WBI after all. You sure can't put her ahead of the line of the queue either without an uproar.
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I thought about that; however, there are plenty of people that legitimately cannot pass through WBI without requiring a pat down. So in your line of 20+ protesters that theTSA is punishing by taking their time, now have to queue up anyone in a wheelchair or with a metal (ex: hip) implant.
How is that going to look when grandma/pa misses her flight home to thanksgiving because the TSA was too slow ? She submitted to WBI after all. You sure can't put her ahead of the line of the queue either without an uproar.
How is that going to look when grandma/pa misses her flight home to thanksgiving because the TSA was too slow ? She submitted to WBI after all. You sure can't put her ahead of the line of the queue either without an uproar.
In the end you as the TSA want to be able to say: "we didn't alter our policies a single bit" and you want to news media to say: "it's not all that bad even on Thanksgiving there were no bad lines".
Let's face it: the TSA has not yet ever caught a bad guy(TM) so they can easily relax security for one day and then claim that all went well and all is fine. I would also avoid by all means to give the impression that opt-outs are punished tomorrow and wait with the retaliatory pat-downs for Thursday....
But then, it's the TSA and who knows, maybe they will try to proof a point tomorrow and that would be a nightmare.
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I thought about that; however, there are plenty of people that legitimately cannot pass through WBI without requiring a pat down. So in your line of 20+ protesters that theTSA is punishing by taking their time, now have to queue up anyone in a wheelchair or with a metal (ex: hip) implant.
How is that going to look when grandma/pa misses her flight home to thanksgiving because the TSA was too slow ? She submitted to WBI after all. You sure can't put her ahead of the line of the queue either without an uproar.
How is that going to look when grandma/pa misses her flight home to thanksgiving because the TSA was too slow ? She submitted to WBI after all. You sure can't put her ahead of the line of the queue either without an uproar.
Fair? No. Uproar? Maybe, who cares.
But it meets the TSA's dual goals of avoiding bad publicity and discouraging opt-outs.
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NOODists will show up sporadically throughout the day across thousands of checkpoints at hundreds of airports. Most Ma & Pa travellers will view the pamphlet distributors as they do Hare Krishnas, and will either ignore them or politely take a flyer without ever reading it.
Unless NOODists band together to make a well-coordinated and concentrated strike, tomorrow will be just as ineffective as those one-day gas boycotts that never seem to go away.
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The charge is levied per enplanement, so if you take a 4-segment roundtrip, you just paid $10 for the privilege of being scanned, ogled, and/or groped.
http://www.tsa.gov/research/fees/passenger_fee.shtm
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The TSA has already won the battle for tomorrow. No matter how long the lines are, they will blame the NOODists. I'm nervous that a large percentage of Kettles end up missing their flights and blame the NOODists, whether or not anyone actually opts out. The media will eat it up.
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you may be right, I think another element to the day should be more civil disobediance, carry large bottles of water and leave them in carry-on, leave metal in pockets for multiple WTMD attempts (then opt outs), not just opt outs to be treated 'second' but lots of 'forgetting' the 'rules'...
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The TSA has already won the battle for tomorrow. No matter how long the lines are, they will blame the NOODists. I'm nervous that a large percentage of Kettles end up missing their flights and blame the NOODists, whether or not anyone actually opts out. The media will eat it up.
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This.
NOODists will show up sporadically throughout the day across thousands of checkpoints at hundreds of airports. Most Ma & Pa travellers will view the pamphlet distributors as they do Hare Krishnas, and will either ignore them or politely take a flyer without ever reading it.
Unless NOODists band together to make a well-coordinated and concentrated strike, tomorrow will be just as ineffective as those one-day gas boycotts that never seem to go away.
NOODists will show up sporadically throughout the day across thousands of checkpoints at hundreds of airports. Most Ma & Pa travellers will view the pamphlet distributors as they do Hare Krishnas, and will either ignore them or politely take a flyer without ever reading it.
Unless NOODists band together to make a well-coordinated and concentrated strike, tomorrow will be just as ineffective as those one-day gas boycotts that never seem to go away.


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