Organized resistance to WBI/invasive patdowns
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Great, so now I have to put up with teams of people interfering in the security process and slowing things down? Incidentally, you didn't lose your right to anything. If this is truly against your rights, then there is a court system in place. I suggest you make us of it. Otherwise, I guess it's safe to say that your rights aren't really being violated.
By the way, you don't have to let go of travel. There are many other forms of transportation where security isn't as big of a concern as thus the screening is basically nil.
By the way, you don't have to let go of travel. There are many other forms of transportation where security isn't as big of a concern as thus the screening is basically nil.
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I'm in - but for both myself and others, I'd suggest choosing an airport that you don't use. So for me, I'd be willing to hand out leaflets at MIA or PBI, but not FLL.
For the LAX crew, you might want to swap between LAX, SNA, ONT, LGB and BUR depending on which airports you rarely use.
Also, we should check local ordinances regarding 1st Amendment access to the non-sterile area, or even the departures roadway outside the terminal building. In some cases a permit might need to be applied for.
For the LAX crew, you might want to swap between LAX, SNA, ONT, LGB and BUR depending on which airports you rarely use.
Also, we should check local ordinances regarding 1st Amendment access to the non-sterile area, or even the departures roadway outside the terminal building. In some cases a permit might need to be applied for.
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I'm in for IAD and DCA, perhaps BWI if that's where we get more people willing to do this.
If we pick DCA might I also suggest that if there are enough of us to make it newsworthy, we hop on the Metro and go a few stops down to Pentagon City where we can stand in front of TSA HQ and issue some sort of press release/statement to the media?
Edited to add another thought too... if we can get these signs ready before Labor Day weekend, I'm willing to spend a bit of time at DCA putting them in places like restrooms, etc. Hanging them up in stalls and leaving a few around when no TSA/LEO folks are in there might prove useful and certainly would be a method of distributing information that could keep folks out of trouble. (Unless there's cameras in restroom stalls, nobody knows who's taping the signs to the back of the doors.)
If we pick DCA might I also suggest that if there are enough of us to make it newsworthy, we hop on the Metro and go a few stops down to Pentagon City where we can stand in front of TSA HQ and issue some sort of press release/statement to the media?
Edited to add another thought too... if we can get these signs ready before Labor Day weekend, I'm willing to spend a bit of time at DCA putting them in places like restrooms, etc. Hanging them up in stalls and leaving a few around when no TSA/LEO folks are in there might prove useful and certainly would be a method of distributing information that could keep folks out of trouble. (Unless there's cameras in restroom stalls, nobody knows who's taping the signs to the back of the doors.)
Last edited by clrankin; Aug 24, 2010 at 3:16 pm Reason: Added additional thought
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Great, so now I have to put up with teams of people interfering in the security process and slowing things down? Incidentally, you didn't lose your right to anything. If this is truly against your rights, then there is a court system in place. I suggest you make us of it. Otherwise, I guess it's safe to say that your rights aren't really being violated.
By the way, you don't have to let go of travel. There are many other forms of transportation where security isn't as big of a concern as thus the screening is basically nil.
By the way, you don't have to let go of travel. There are many other forms of transportation where security isn't as big of a concern as thus the screening is basically nil.
Perhaps if TSA had done some education instead of feeling up little kids there would be less anger.
Oh, if you really feel handing out leaflets violates your rights in some way then I suggest you use that court system you talked about.
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There are plenty of those already, in fact you're in one now.
I've stated before that real change is only going to come through concerted, direct action. But there's a price to pay. Any visible protest is going to draw the attention of the TSA staff at the airport and most probably the local PD. You will also likely be ridiculed or confronted by those passengers who disagree with you (no names, you know who you are).
I've stated before that real change is only going to come through concerted, direct action. But there's a price to pay. Any visible protest is going to draw the attention of the TSA staff at the airport and most probably the local PD. You will also likely be ridiculed or confronted by those passengers who disagree with you (no names, you know who you are).
Ping me when you've got a flier or pamphlet. ^
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Here would be my agenda. It's actually not very online oriented. I think many people rant on FT when they are badly treated, then they "feel better" and, having busy lives, they don't always go to the hard effort of following up. (guilty)
Communicate Write to your Congresspersons and ask about their position on intrusive physical searches in airports. Write back to support or oppose their position. If you make a complaint to TSA that's not resolved to your satisfaction, contact them. They do have aides who deal with this stuff (constituency services). It might be useful to contact congresspeople on relevant subcomittees.
If you are outside the US and have bad experiences in the US, write to the American embassy or consulate in your home country and let them know that your experience negatively impacts your willingness to travel or do business there. (Not a good idea in some countries, of course.)
I'd include the usual letter to newspaper, online forum, social network, etc. But I think perhaps people rant too much on FT and similar and don't follow up. OTOH, don't underestimate the netroots...
Contact local authorities State legislature/city mayor, also state/city tourism agencies. There's less volume of mail, it can get more attention. Take the time to look up legislative districts, people's names, etc. TSA is federal, but economy and tourism are local issues. If you have problems at an airport where you have been a tourist and it discourages you from traveling there again, make sure relevant people know it. Don't just rant on FT, then blow it off.
Show impact. Your travel has economic and business impact, so leverage the influence of those who are affected.
If you are or have been a frequent flyer and reduce your air travel a lot, let your airline(s) know why. "It's not about you..."
Bring it up with your employer that travel is becoming a problem and why (obviously not a good idea for everyone, but many companies want to be responsive and don't want to lose their best employees). If women seem to be disproportionately targeted, raise that issue as well.
Complain effectively If you have a problem, complain and followup effectively. Don't just rant on FT, then blow it off.
Try to get to the airport in plenty of time, so you don't have to overlook inappropriate behavior because you're rushing for your flight.. Make sure to get names, write them down. File a complaint form. Report it to the TSA number. Make it clear that you expect a response. Follow up with registered letters to the airport security director, TSA, and cc your Congressperson, if need be. If an LEO is involved, follow up with the relevant police department, even if it's only to ask for a copy of a report.
Donate. Write or email to find out all relevant candidates' positions on this issue (it's an election year, they want to know what hot button issues are). Donate and/or work for campaigns (or not) accordingly. Make sure you let them know why.
If there aren't suitable candidates in your district, keep an eye on this board for pointers to news reports about politicians/candidates who are addressing this problem. Support them. Let them know why. Ditto ACLU or similar.
Put your money where your opinion is. Don't just rant on FT, then blow it off. One flight you don't take is a couple of $100 donations, no?
Don't fly Don't fly if you can avoid it. But a lot of flying isn't really optional - work or family obligations, so I don't see that this is much use other than for personal protection.
Emigrate. Not joking. With foot is by far the most impactful vote.
Communicate Write to your Congresspersons and ask about their position on intrusive physical searches in airports. Write back to support or oppose their position. If you make a complaint to TSA that's not resolved to your satisfaction, contact them. They do have aides who deal with this stuff (constituency services). It might be useful to contact congresspeople on relevant subcomittees.
If you are outside the US and have bad experiences in the US, write to the American embassy or consulate in your home country and let them know that your experience negatively impacts your willingness to travel or do business there. (Not a good idea in some countries, of course.)
I'd include the usual letter to newspaper, online forum, social network, etc. But I think perhaps people rant too much on FT and similar and don't follow up. OTOH, don't underestimate the netroots...
Contact local authorities State legislature/city mayor, also state/city tourism agencies. There's less volume of mail, it can get more attention. Take the time to look up legislative districts, people's names, etc. TSA is federal, but economy and tourism are local issues. If you have problems at an airport where you have been a tourist and it discourages you from traveling there again, make sure relevant people know it. Don't just rant on FT, then blow it off.
Show impact. Your travel has economic and business impact, so leverage the influence of those who are affected.
If you are or have been a frequent flyer and reduce your air travel a lot, let your airline(s) know why. "It's not about you..."
Bring it up with your employer that travel is becoming a problem and why (obviously not a good idea for everyone, but many companies want to be responsive and don't want to lose their best employees). If women seem to be disproportionately targeted, raise that issue as well.
Complain effectively If you have a problem, complain and followup effectively. Don't just rant on FT, then blow it off.
Try to get to the airport in plenty of time, so you don't have to overlook inappropriate behavior because you're rushing for your flight.. Make sure to get names, write them down. File a complaint form. Report it to the TSA number. Make it clear that you expect a response. Follow up with registered letters to the airport security director, TSA, and cc your Congressperson, if need be. If an LEO is involved, follow up with the relevant police department, even if it's only to ask for a copy of a report.
Donate. Write or email to find out all relevant candidates' positions on this issue (it's an election year, they want to know what hot button issues are). Donate and/or work for campaigns (or not) accordingly. Make sure you let them know why.
If there aren't suitable candidates in your district, keep an eye on this board for pointers to news reports about politicians/candidates who are addressing this problem. Support them. Let them know why. Ditto ACLU or similar.
Put your money where your opinion is. Don't just rant on FT, then blow it off. One flight you don't take is a couple of $100 donations, no?
Don't fly Don't fly if you can avoid it. But a lot of flying isn't really optional - work or family obligations, so I don't see that this is much use other than for personal protection.
Emigrate. Not joking. With foot is by far the most impactful vote.
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I have no fear of ridicule from pax, and would be willing to hand out fliers on my own if I could get some legal coaching (other than watching Flex Your Rights videos) on what I may and may not do beforehand.
Ping me when you've got a flier or pamphlet. ^
A born promoter!
Ping me when you've got a flier or pamphlet. ^
A born promoter!
Getting EPIC/EFF/ACLU involved in advance may be useful. The above suggestion to do this at an airport that you don't intend to use again any time soon/regularly also makes sense since if there is local meddling in the exercise of a First Amendment right, there may well be a TRO-type injunction that gets put into place.
Last edited by GUWonder; Aug 24, 2010 at 5:17 pm
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Did some googling of "PANYNJ leaflets in airports" and found a couple of items:
http://www.zundelsite.org/basic_articles/alert.002.html
http://caselaw.lp.findlaw.com/script...=482&invol=569
How the PANYNJ would look at someone distributing leaflets voicing displeasure with the TSA could be a different story.
I am nearest ABE which I don't think is yet in line for NoS. I could go to EWR but as Deb said, I'd want someone with me who knows the law. (I'm an even older grandma, Deb.)
......demanding Free Speech privileges that a 1993 Supreme Court decision established that all concourses at American airports are subject to First Amendment rights.
Two weeks earlier, two airport security supervisors, Sergeant M. Murphy at the JFK Airport and Lieutenant M. Delano at the Newark International Airport, expressed no objections and had respected the HSDC's right to leaflet these transportation and tourist centers with what they called a "Traveler's Alert."
Two weeks earlier, two airport security supervisors, Sergeant M. Murphy at the JFK Airport and Lieutenant M. Delano at the Newark International Airport, expressed no objections and had respected the HSDC's right to leaflet these transportation and tourist centers with what they called a "Traveler's Alert."
http://caselaw.lp.findlaw.com/script...=482&invol=569
How the PANYNJ would look at someone distributing leaflets voicing displeasure with the TSA could be a different story.
I am nearest ABE which I don't think is yet in line for NoS. I could go to EWR but as Deb said, I'd want someone with me who knows the law. (I'm an even older grandma, Deb.)
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Another thing to consider is coming up with a pamphlet that anyone can print out and leave in the SkyMall catalog, various Clubs, sticking into the USAToday copies in hotel room hallways... the list goes on.
You mean like Greyhound? The TSA is intent on getting it's clutches on all forms of trasnportation.
You mean like Greyhound? The TSA is intent on getting it's clutches on all forms of trasnportation.
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I'd love to help, especially if we can get some helpers in DEN! We can even visit a DEN TSO who I believe is on FT.
Oh noes!!
I've always thought about bringing signs about the nude-o-scopes to the airport bathrooms. With two or three people, you could probably cover the un-sterile area of an entire airport..
His shirts are great! I love wearing my "Blogger Bob Says:..." shirt when I go through the checkpoint. I've gotten a lot of looks from TSOs, but I smile back, muttering things under my breath
Great, so now I have to put up with teams of people interfering in the security process and slowing things down? Incidentally, you didn't lose your right to anything. If this is truly against your rights, then there is a court system in place. I suggest you make us of it. Otherwise, I guess it's safe to say that your rights aren't really being violated.
By the way, you don't have to let go of travel. There are many other forms of transportation where security isn't as big of a concern as thus the screening is basically nil.
By the way, you don't have to let go of travel. There are many other forms of transportation where security isn't as big of a concern as thus the screening is basically nil.
His shirts are great! I love wearing my "Blogger Bob Says:..." shirt when I go through the checkpoint. I've gotten a lot of looks from TSOs, but I smile back, muttering things under my breath