Tom,
We have been down the road on this so many times. No one has a "right to fly." It is just a preferred mode of transportation that is quick. It is a give and take. IF you as a customer of the airline want to get somewhere fast, you have to give up some things (for about 5 or ten minutes.) IF you want to keep your privacy and 4th amendments right then you can take another mode of transportation.
I am going to stand on the line that I took about layers of security and that is all. I am not going to admit anything about holes (other than it was a good movie.) I learned that from the CIA "Admit nothing, deny everything."

Do they have telephones and radios at your airport? Call the LEO's.

Gotcha! I just want to know where there are "a bunch of" TSA employees standing around and looking at people with strip search machines. TSA does not cofiscate anything, the preferred term is "surrendered under duress."
I also dont see that as a sign of failure.
How is checking your bag at the gate a sign of failure?

And then someone decides it you want to drive a car, fly in a plane, get a job your house must be searched and you and your family must be photographed naked. I mean you can always walk... :rolleyes:

Unwilling to take a stand I see...

Maybe you should change your screen name to Sgt. Schultz....

:rolleyes:

Considering the benefits(which long-term are better then what TSA offers) and such why did you ever leave the respectable positions of a LEO, FF or EMT to work for TSA. Or was it that you were asked to leave or be fired?

ah yes DEN the baston of TSA corruption and do as we say not as we do. ala Alvin Crabtree who willing brought a loaded firearm to work and was never charged, but yet TSA still parades that stat every week in the body count.


I have a duty to serve others in need, but TSA is the last place i would work. I would take a job at mcdonalds before taking a job with TSA

I'm still waiting for an answer ?

No, what would speak volumes is how many terrorist TSA has identified, referred to Law Enforcment and have been brought to trial.

Care to tell us how many people TSA has so identified?

Or collecting the garbage, at least that's respectable.

My preferred term is confiscated.

I do.

Because it has already been checked by TSA!

in most civilised places, that's called 'theft'...

Eyecue says it all
 

"IF you want to keep your privacy and 4th amendments right then you can take another mode of transportation. "

With this attitude, we can expect more airlines to go bust, as people DO take another mode of transportation.

I hope it causes lots of layoffs of the Smurfs with their tin badges!

THat is another matter entirely, please stick to the flight plan.


No just unwilling to further a disagreement. No matter what I say, someone will disagree.



Have I insulted you in this exchange? Why does it always have to come down to that?

There are so many people on here that take it to a name calling level. THis exchange has resorted to that with others on here.
As far as why I am not a LEO anymore, career choice mistake. It happens, if I had it to do all over again, I would have stayed a LEO. I went to work at a fire department. Then the IT field and now look at me.

Is that an admission you give up your 4th amendment rights when you fly?

/cry

No, You do have choices, You can keep the items that you have, you just cant go into the secure area with them. That means that you have to decide if a liter of water for instance is worth the price of an airline ticket. The majority of things that are not allowed are known by everyone. The liquid ban has been in effect for almost 5 years now and that still is the leading cause of slow downs and bag searches. There are signs and announcements and more signs and video and more signs about liquids restrictions and yet it still goes on and on.

I still want to know if liquids are dangerous why certain people can bring them through. I also want to know why they throw them out at the checkpoint, instead of disposing of them in a blast proof container.