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Originally Posted by TSORon
(Post 14162411)
Gate screenings are designed to plug the hole in screening that has been complained about here and at the TSA blog by folks just like yourself. The hole? The ability of some unknown airport employee or TSA member to pass unauthorized items to a passenger post-checkpoint.
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Originally Posted by TSORon
(Post 14156082)
FYI, there are entire organizations out there that want to kill Americans. They will do whatever they can to make that happen. There have been enough plots and operations directed at U.S. Citizens by these groups to convince most people that a certain amount of prevention and caution is necessary. There will always be segments of our society that refuse to be convinced. That prefer ignorance of the issues to knowledge because it violates their belief’s.
Yes SOME of the things the TSA does actually makes sense. Before 9/11 the rules varied from airport to airport. However... Crew and airport staff goes unscreened Cargo goes unscreened And the puffer machines (I'm sorry I forget the name) should of went back for tweaking instead of being scrapped. Gate screenings and ID checks do N-O-T-H-I-N-G for security. |
Originally Posted by Tom M.
(Post 14162422)
The small percentage of passengers screened at the gate means it does not plug any hole
Originally Posted by Tom M.
(Post 14162387)
Opinion
Originally Posted by LV702
(Post 14162441)
They who can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety, deserve neither liberty nor safety.
Lets give credit where credit is due.
Originally Posted by LV702
(Post 14162441)
Yes SOME of the things the TSA does actually makes sense. Before 9/11 the rules varied from airport to airport.
However... Crew and airport staff goes unscreened
Originally Posted by LV702
(Post 14162441)
Cargo goes unscreened
Originally Posted by LV702
(Post 14162441)
And the puffer machines (I'm sorry I forget the name) should of went back for tweaking instead of being scrapped.
Originally Posted by LV702
(Post 14162441)
Gate screenings and ID checks do N-O-T-H-I-N-G for security.
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I have with own eyes seen Airport staff go through without removing their shoes.
This is unscreened. You're right about ID checks though. They protect the revenue of the airlines. edit. Gate screening is only useful if it's done to everyone. |
Originally Posted by Tom M.
(Post 14162422)
The small percentage of passengers screened at the gate means it does not plug any hole
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Originally Posted by TSORon
(Post 14162462)
In answer to that I offer this:
Originally Posted by eyecue
(Post 14162568)
opinion
If not, it doesn't plug the hole. |
Originally Posted by Tom M.
(Post 14162675)
Are you or anyone in the TSA willing to offer a guarantee?
If not, it doesn't plug the hole. |
Originally Posted by eyecue
(Post 14162732)
Thomas, Thomas, Thomas. I could say that there has not been anyone lost in a terrorist event on airplane since TSA took over, that speaks volumes for itself.
It's not the TSA that is responsible for that! I have a magic rock that I spin every day and pour salt on (that's the key ;) but I can't tell you what type of salt, you have to just trust me...) that is responsible. On a similar note, on 9/10/2001 one could argue the same thing about the security that was in place
Originally Posted by TSORon
(Post 14162490)
mine is not an opinion.
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Originally Posted by eyecue
(Post 14162732)
Thomas, Thomas, Thomas. I could say that there has not been anyone lost in a terrorist event on airplane since TSA took over, that speaks volumes for itself.
A) Instructing flight crews to fight to the death B) Reinforcing the cockpit doors. |
Originally Posted by eyecue
(Post 14162339)
You are wrong. Dont get me started on courthouse screening. I went to an advanced explosives class and we got to blow things up. The liquid threat is real. Don't kid yourself due to ignorance. The shoe thing hmmm that is original because there have been multiple attempts at that and they still have not caught all the guys that have tried or been involved in the multiple incidents of shoes hiding explosives.
If the what you say is true the deputy at the courthouse is ignorant beyond all imagination. Don't you get me started. TSA are those idiots at the airport. Every leo at the airport I work at that I know & I know "a few" of them feel that & they've told me more than once the dreaded call they get comes from TSA. Also my other leo buddies do not like or want any thing to do with your kind. And if you are like your post you are one of the problems. |
Originally Posted by Tom M.
(Post 14162750)
LOL!
It's not the TSA that is responsible for that! I have a magic rock that I spin every day and pour salt on (that's the key ;) but I can't tell you what type of salt, you have to just trust me...) that is responsible. On a similar note, on 9/10/2001 one could argue the same thing about the security that was in place I will not say that. I been on this board a long time. I can say that I have seen some good and some bad. Mostly though it is very negative towards TSA. That is a shame, there are always detractors and critics and no matter what some agencies try to do, they can do no right. People fail to realize that things change, threats to Aviation and to the USA change on an almost daily basis. I truly believe though that there are people that would love to go back to the way that it once was and it would be an acceptable loss in their eyes if something like 911 happened again. Just like the oil spill in the gulf, that is "the cost of doing business" in some peoples way of thinking. TO me that is pretty cold and heartless.
Originally Posted by coachrowsey
(Post 14162768)
eyecue:
Don't you get me started. TSA are those idiots at the airport. Every leo at the airport I work at that I know & I know "a few" of them feel that & they've told me more than once the dreaded call they get comes from TSA. Also my other leo buddies do not like or want any thing to do with your kind. And if you are like your post you are one of the problems. |
Originally Posted by eyecue
(Post 14162783)
That is why I said ( I COULD SAY)
Originally Posted by eyecue
(Post 14162783)
I will not say that.
Originally Posted by eyecue
(Post 14162783)
threats to Aviation and to the USA change on an almost daily basis.
Originally Posted by eyecue
(Post 14162783)
that is "the cost of doing business" in some peoples way of thinking. TO me that is pretty cold and heartless.
And yet you belive that you are effective and that Americans giving up their rights and privacy is "the cost of doing business" . To me that is pretty cold and heartless |
Originally Posted by eyecue
(Post 14162799)
OMG!!! I can tell you that TSA DEN has the best relationship with one of the most respected law enforcement agencies in the USA. You cannot classify all of TSA as idiots. You are one of the few, the proud, the TSA haters and there is nothing that I can do to change that. Just to set the record straight though, I have been a LEO, Firefighter and EMT. My duty lies in a higher cause than defending TSA for some of the huge mistakes that have been made. I just look through all the murky water for the light at the end of the tunnel.
TSA is just as disliked as the IRS. |
eyecue:
Let me make it clear. It's not personal. I have a couple friends here who work for TSA & they are good people. Just very brainwashed. I'm also a former leo, so I've got to ask you a question how can any former leo work for the TSA ? |
Originally Posted by eyecue
(Post 14162312)
I am not sure what you mean by the first statement. Are you saying that just the presence of TSA is indication of failure? Do you mean that because private security failed on 911 or what?
If you see TSA at a gate that could be a lot of things that are not an indication of a failure. There are: 1. Gate screenings. 2. Selectee screenings 3. Agency responses to accusations at the gates. 4. Thefts reported at the gate. 5. Property returns at the gate. I found 42 thousand dollars at DEN and it was returned at the gate. So to say that TSA at the gate means a certain failure is not true. A buch of TSA employees standing around a checkpoint confiscating water and looking at people with Strip Search Machines and such is evidence of failure. Gate checks are proof of failure. Is this clear enough for ya? |
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