So are my questions. You made your claims first . Seems you should stop deflecting and answer my questions.

But screening's only effective if the same process is applied to everyone, Ronnie. The whole shpiel we get from TSA is "well, someone on the other side can slip someone something explosive/sharp/whatever." If you're letting those people thru without screening for that, well, then you're screening's not effective. Not that it was to begin with, but less so.

Two reasons. Make-work and an excuse to ask for even more resources because the checkpoints can't be manned adequately.

Or, you're tacitly admitting that TSA isn't confident in its screening process and thus has to "redo" it to make sure it didn't miss something.

Ron

You seriously need to check your facts before putting your fingers to a keyboard because the frequency of blatantly wrong statements is very high(High Signal to Noise Ratio (SNR)).


HHS ranks alot better then the TSA. TSA is a small agency within DHS, where HHS is a larger agency with alot more components to it, but still ranks much higher the DHS or TSA.

HHS and its disaster medical response teams are regarded alot higher then you and your co-workers. The citizens of Haiti, American Samoa, etc have been very grateful for the HHS assests that came in after disasters in those locations to get medical assistance to those populations when the infastructure got demolished by natural disasters. BTW HHS and FEMA are not associated with each other so do tread there.

FEMA, IRS and TSA all seem to be in the same territory as the most hated govt agencies in the US. Depends on the poll but TSA, FEMA and IRS are at top of the list.

http://purposequest.blogspot.com/200...nt-agency.html

http://www2.tbo.com/content/2007/dec...to-most-hated/

http://www.nypost.com/p/news/opinion...kQELpvjUa6YQPO

http://data.bestplacestowork.org/bptw/overall/sub -- ouch TSA is 213/216, where HHS is ranked higher then DHS

So you admit that by not screening everyone TSA has failed its most baisc mission, keeping dangerous items out of the secure area.

There is no reason to screen anyone when many other people have access to the secure area without screening.

Tell me, what government agencies do a really good job at its assigned mission?

Hey, all I can say is that my search was a bit more comprehensive.

I understand that this is your belief soupy, but reality is quite different.

To you this may be true Scuba. To those dealing with HHS/CPS its a different story. Everyone has their own devil dude. In many cases its a government agency, in others its private corporations, and in others its specific special interest groups. To you your belief's are valid, and the only game in town. But you are one person, and each of the other groups have just as much data to back their own personal devils. I know its hard to believe, but the world does not revolve around your own personal hatred.

I admit that no screening is perfect, or ever will be. "Not perfect" is far from useless, which TSA certainly is not.

True. TSA is keeping 50,000 off the dole, so in general terms it isn't useless.

Now, when it it comes to providing substantially better security than what it replaced, "useless" is a perfectly appropriate way to describe TSA.

Umm Ron where do you pull this? Will you ever admit your wrong, or are you just going to keep increasing the SNR?

HHS is federal, CPS is local and state, and has nothing to do with the federal govt.

If airport employees, including TSA, are searched as you claim and they can still hand off contraband then it is clear TSA is a failure.

A failure, like TSA, is pretty much useless if we are trying to have airport security.

I have to call you on your claim that these people are searched. I observed airport workers entering through employee doors (DFW) just a few feet from the checkpoint. No screening was being done on either side of the doors. Now you may call that screening but I don't think anyone with a bit of common sense would.

No screening is no screening, no other way to put it.

Ron, how are airport workers screened?

Are they screened on each and every entry into the secured area?

Having employees working for TSA like the one in this story should compel TSA to take screening all persons seriously.

http://www.etaiwannews.com/etn/news_...&lang=eng_news


"On Wednesday, U.S. Marshal David Drake told the court that the TSA screener at Cyril E. King Airport has two prior convictions on drug-related charges."

I do believe that Ron projects his viewpoint onto a majority, rather than simply admitting that it is just his opinion. Possibly he has his own problems with CPS, and would like to think that those problems are universal.

DHHS is the parent organization of all 50 states individual HHS programs. All state programs are required to adhere to the general guidelines set by the national HHS system.

Funding for the state and local versions of HHS and CPS come from the federal government.

I will not admit I am wrong when I am not wrong. You could use some education on this subject scuba.

Now you are putting words in my mouth. Shame on you.

I said that they are screened, and they are. In accordance with the current screening standards for TSO’s, Air Crew, LEO’s, Federal LEO’s, etc. Airport employee’s are also screened, in accordance with the SOP requirements. Everyone who enters the sterile area is screened, no exceptions.

I know someone who use to work at DFW and I asked him about your claim. His exact words I cannot post here, but he was far less than complimentary about your statement. The gist of it was that you didn’t know what you are talking about.

So BD, are you of the opinion that everything that TSA does must be completely open to public scrutiny? All of our screening, where and who, why and what?

And ignorance is just that, ignorance. Please understand that I do not mean that as an insult, but as a statement of fact. Being ignorant of something is not a crime, I can’t do brain surgery and am ignorant of it, and I don’t consider that to be an insult, just a fact.

IAW the current SOP requirements. Other than that I can’t tell you, you have no need to know.

Yeah, the classic "Trust us something is being done" but there is no way to verify that it is. If challenged, the "SSI Smokescreen" is used. Lame.

Now wait a minute. Just because you didnt see them put fuel in the place doesen't mean the tanks are empty. You trust the fuel guys right? How about the baggage loaders, maybe they put them all on the left side of the plane and it will make yours crash 50 feet off the end of the runway. Gotta trust them, right? How about the pilot? Ever flown with him before? Does he have a license to fly?

You sure are pretty selective about those things you trust that you cannot see. Do you dip your fingers in the fuel tank before take-off, just to make sure?

You never see the car you drive get asembeled.
You never see the food you eat grown (if you are an average citizen)
You never see what happens to you're money after you give it to the bank teller.

There are many things in life that we must take on faith. The TSA's at the airports I fly through are always polite, clean, and friendly. Sure it gets loud once in a while at the checkpoint, but crowds are noisey. I have never had anything stolen, and if I forget and put my shampoo in my carry on then that is MY fault. No reason to get upset with the TSA's, they are doing their job.

It looks to me like you are just wanting to pick on someone.

What is this mythical "screening" you speak of, checking an employee ID? Random harassment in the sterile area? Doesn't seem to be working very well with all the firearms getting through.

Well frankly due to TSAs history, pattern of behavior and extensive number of incident, the poster you quoted is calling it like they see it.

since your new here go read the forum and other places on the net you will find that TSA isnt quite held in high regards by many due to its history, patterns of bad behavior and extensive number of incidents. I to dont believe the "Trust Us" line as TSA has proven more then once there not trust-able.

Oh I have been reading on and off for the last few days. Some very interesting 'tudes here.

The attitudes here are very much like many of the others around the internet. I suppose that the invisibility of hiding behind a pen name brings these about in some of the less stable members of our society. Some of the girls I work with think that they know everything there is to know about product, but as someone who has been around the block a few times its easy to tell who does and who just thinks they do.

I aint no spring chicken to flying. I have been bouncing from place to place for more than a decade in my job, and from what I have read here in the last few days it seems that most of the folks here don't know squat.