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Feb 28, 2010 | 4:49 pm
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Oh trust me, I know this. There is a huge thread on this happening to me. That said, I don't consider it a "waste of time" to put the TSA in their place.
Feb 28, 2010 | 4:51 pm
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Feb 28, 2010 | 6:21 pm
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I use my CAC too, but the thing I don't much like is the fact that it has my SSN on the back. I know DOD announced that SSNs were going to be removed with the new CAC design, but I've yet to see that actually happen (my last 2 CACs have been of the new cardstock, but still have my SSN).
Feb 28, 2010 | 6:24 pm
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I use my CAC too, but the thing I don't much like is the fact that it has my SSN on the back. I know DOD announced that SSNs were going to be removed with the new CAC design, but I've yet to see that actually happen (my last 2 CACs have been of the new cardstock, but still have my SSN).
Mar 1, 2010 | 5:56 am
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Boggie Dog stated - "Having been a victim of a home burglary I am very cautious of my personal information. Being hours away from home this person could have easily communicated the information from my ID to others. A bit of a stretch but with the history of TSA employees not out of the question."
No need to feel paranoid! I recall reading about home invasions some 20 years ago, which were traced to a ring of baggage handlers.
I too take certain simple steps to mask my comings and goings -
1. Take a generic taxi to airport
2. If domicile will be empty do not discuss destination or duration of trip (otherwise let my significant other deal with the possible consequences)
3. Baggage ID tags contain my cell phone number, and an office address
Homeland Security Admin has now expanded the playing field by introducing a whole new cast of potential perpetrators.
And thanks to the other posts concerning ID by using Passport, or covering one's address on a driver's license. Yes this is for security. MINE!
No need to feel paranoid! I recall reading about home invasions some 20 years ago, which were traced to a ring of baggage handlers.
I too take certain simple steps to mask my comings and goings -
1. Take a generic taxi to airport
2. If domicile will be empty do not discuss destination or duration of trip (otherwise let my significant other deal with the possible consequences)
3. Baggage ID tags contain my cell phone number, and an office address
Homeland Security Admin has now expanded the playing field by introducing a whole new cast of potential perpetrators.
And thanks to the other posts concerning ID by using Passport, or covering one's address on a driver's license. Yes this is for security. MINE!
Mar 1, 2010 | 9:15 am
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Mar 1, 2010 | 12:37 pm
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As per 49 CFR 1540.107 (c):
"An individual may not enter a sterile area or board an aircraft if the individual does not present a verifying identity document as defined in 1560.3 of this chapter, when requested for purposes of watch list matching under 1560.105(c), unless otherwise authorized by TSA on a case-by-case basis."
Mar 1, 2010 | 1:05 pm
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Incorrect.
As per 49 CFR 1540.107 (c):
"An individual may not enter a sterile area or board an aircraft if the individual does not present a verifying identity document as defined in 1560.3 of this chapter, when requested for purposes of watch list matching under 1560.105(c), unless otherwise authorized by TSA on a case-by-case basis."
As per 49 CFR 1540.107 (c):
"An individual may not enter a sterile area or board an aircraft if the individual does not present a verifying identity document as defined in 1560.3 of this chapter, when requested for purposes of watch list matching under 1560.105(c), unless otherwise authorized by TSA on a case-by-case basis."
also why dont you say who you are as your post count is low and makes one wonder
Mar 1, 2010 | 1:06 pm
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Mar 1, 2010 | 1:21 pm
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Incorrect.
As per 49 CFR 1540.107 (c):
"An individual may not enter a sterile area or board an aircraft if the individual does not present a verifying identity document as defined in 1560.3 of this chapter, when requested for purposes of watch list matching under 1560.105(c), unless otherwise authorized by TSA on a case-by-case basis."
As per 49 CFR 1540.107 (c):
"An individual may not enter a sterile area or board an aircraft if the individual does not present a verifying identity document as defined in 1560.3 of this chapter, when requested for purposes of watch list matching under 1560.105(c), unless otherwise authorized by TSA on a case-by-case basis."
Conclusion: you don't absolutely have to present an identity document in order to fly. Thus, the original premise is, in fact correct.
Mar 1, 2010 | 2:01 pm
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as do i. i always keep my original olci bp until i have cleared security as if i have "been selected" or there has been and equipment swap where i have been "moved" from f to y, i will use my unaltered "first class" bp to access the f/c line (assuming my 1k status won't let me )
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Mar 1, 2010 | 3:33 pm
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Regarding the extra BP - fantastic idea, but I have one question - don't they usually write something on your BP that shows you went through TDC? If you show a fresh clean BP after TDC will they give you a hard time? I don't remember the person at the WTMD asking for it for years, but I can't be totally sure...
Mar 1, 2010 | 3:53 pm
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This was changed in October 2008 when the new requirements of Secure Flight began to take effect.
I'm not exactly sure what you are implying in terms of my post count and my identity, but my name is William Clarke. I just joined Flyertalk last week.
Mar 1, 2010 | 3:56 pm
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Mar 1, 2010 | 4:23 pm
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Incorrect.
As per 49 CFR 1540.107 (c):
"An individual may not enter a sterile area or board an aircraft if the individual does not present a verifying identity document as defined in 1560.3 of this chapter, when requested for purposes of watch list matching under 1560.105(c), unless otherwise authorized by TSA on a case-by-case basis."
As per 49 CFR 1540.107 (c):
"An individual may not enter a sterile area or board an aircraft if the individual does not present a verifying identity document as defined in 1560.3 of this chapter, when requested for purposes of watch list matching under 1560.105(c), unless otherwise authorized by TSA on a case-by-case basis."
Perhaps you should check yours. 49 CFR 1540.107 involves submission to screening and inspection and has nothing to do with the aircraft operator. The regulations apply to the individual requesting access to the sterile area or attempting to board a flight, and the requirement of these individuals to present their ID as part of the submission to screening and inspection.
This was changed in October 2008 when the new requirements of Secure Flight began to take effect.
I'm not exactly sure what you are implying in terms of my post count and my identity, but my name is William Clarke. I just joined Flyertalk last week.
This was changed in October 2008 when the new requirements of Secure Flight began to take effect.
I'm not exactly sure what you are implying in terms of my post count and my identity, but my name is William Clarke. I just joined Flyertalk last week.
Do you believe that without ID, then you will not be permitted to fly and the government has the ability to implement such a requirement?
Do you believe that at the screening checkpoint, the requirement for presenting ID is for "purposes of watch list matching under 1560.105"? If so, what list is the TDC matching your ID against?
You need to read 1560.105 to understand what the requirements really are:
(a) Applicability . (1) This section applies to each covered aircraft operator beginning on the date that TSA assumes the watch list matching function for the passengers and non-traveling individuals to whom that covered aircraft operator issues a boarding pass or other authorization to enter a sterile area.
(c) Request for identification (1) In general . If TSA has not informed the covered aircraft operator of the results of watch list matching for an individual by the time the individual attempts to check in, or informs the covered aircraft operator that an individual has been placed in inhibited status, the aircraft operator must request from the individual a verifying identity document pursuant to procedures in its security program., as provided in 49 CFR part 1544, subpart B or 49 CFR part 1546, subpart B. The individual must present a verifying identity document to the covered aircraft operator at the airport.
(d) Failure to obtain identification . If a passenger or non-traveling individual does not present a verifying identity document when requested by the covered aircraft operator, in order to comply with paragraph (c) of this section, the covered aircraft operator must not issue a boarding pass or give authorization to enter a sterile area to that individual and must not allow that individual to board an aircraft or enter a sterile area, unless otherwise authorized by TSA.
I can also cite the other CFR's that restrict the TSA at screening checkpoints to only searching for WEI if you would like. The authority to require ID's at the checkpoints is not in the CFR's no matter what Francine the Googling Lawyer would try to make one believe.