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Originally Posted by danl08
(Post 13319788)
but then he would confiscate it since it has liquid in it...... very funny though
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Originally Posted by SATTSO
(Post 13317792)
Ok, I'll say it this way: when I come across something illegal, but not a wei, due diligence requires me to report it to a leo, because I am a government employee.
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Originally Posted by pmocek
(Post 13316715)
Can you explain your inability to "fight about IDs" on this trip? If by fighting about them you mean politely declining to present any proof of identity, and if what you're worried about is the possibility of making the wrong people angry and ending up in jail, then might most of the other suggestions discussed in this thread carry the same risk?
Do you plan to carry a camera in a visible manner to keep people on their best behavior? Have you considered wearing an inconspicuous camera to document your experience without raising the hackles of those who think you're not allowed to film at the checkpoint? I looked into such devices recently and found that there are several options available for less than $50. Skipping the pen cameras and key fob cameras, I bought these three to try them out: one looks like a bluetooth headset, one fits in a pack of gum (or could be clipped on your pocket with a nondescript black bar sticking up), and one is an MP3 player that also has a camera in it. Each takes stills or video. The first two have 2 GB memory and are expandable using micro-SD cards, and the MP3 player has no on-board memory, using only a micro-SD card. I bought a 2 GB card on sale for $10. I particularly like the MP3 player. Mine cost $25 delivered from Hong Kong and took about a week to arrive, but you can probably find U.S. sellers, get it sooner, and likley pay a small premium for the convenience. Even under close inspection, it's unlikely that anyone would guess that it was anything more than an MP3 player unless he was familiar with this model and looking for the pinhole lens. All the markings are those you'd expect to see on an MP3 player -- no "record" or "video" printed on it. To get your recordings off it, you either plug it in to a computer using the included cable (works like any USB mass storage device, i.e., like a USB flash drive), or just pull out the card and read it on your computer like you would any other micro-SD card (USB adapter, full-size-SD adapter, etc.) The instructions are all poorly translated, and the user interfaces are functional but not intuitive. The MP3 player's is reasonably simple: hold the play button to turn it on, press volume up to start and stop recording. You'd be wise to consider the laws of any state in which you might use such a camera. Reporters Committee for Freedom of the Press provides a "Practical Guide to Taping Phone Calls and In-Person Conversations in the 50 States and D.C" which states: See RCFP's state-by-state guide for more details. I don't know if a camera that is positioned right out where everyone can see it, but that doesn't have the appearance that most people associate with cameras, is considered a "hidden camera". I wonder if others would be interested in assembling an archive of video of our TSA staff doing the jobs we pay them to do. Sticking with TSA's retail metaphor (they refer to us as their "customers" although we don't purchase anything from them and we're really their employers), participants would be "secret shoppers". We could provide valuable feedback to TSA. If the camera caught audio I would have to be conspicuous with the device. I don't want to call undue attention to myself by using a camera through the checkpoint. I prefer this time to be subtle and let the bad TSOs react on their own. I can't fight the ID battle this go around because the trip I am making is to pick up a vehicle. Any delay in departure means less time to drive back. My co-worker just had surgery and will still be on light duty when I make my trip. If I am delayed getting back it would risk him injuring himself to cover the department. And I know me, if I refused to present ID and had some half wit TDC, TSO or STSO attempt to quote law to me I would end up going for the ride. I can't afford that time loss this go around. |
Originally Posted by SDF_Traveler
(Post 13314720)
"Will the passenger who left their shoes at security please return to the TSA security checkpoint to claim them"
The sad this is, I've actually heard this announcement. Most everyone at the gate either smirked or had a laugh when this came over the PA. |
Originally Posted by Trollkiller
(Post 13320216)
Florida is an all party consent state. The "wire tap" laws even go so far as to outlaw the use of any electronic device that will increase audio above normal hearing.
If the camera caught audio I would have to be conspicuous with the device. Under the statute, consent is not required for the taping of a non-electronic communication uttered by a person who does not have a "reasonable expectation of privacy" in that communication. However, this oral communication must be one that is made in a setting in which a person does not have a “reasonable expectation of privacy.” There are various circumstances when a person may not have a reasonable expectation of privacy. See also Florida Statute section 934.02 for the definition of “oral communication.” See also Stevenson v. State, 667 So.2d 410 (Fla. DCA1996); Paredes v. State, 760 So.2d 167 (Fla. DCA 2000). In Cohen Brothers, LLC v. ME Corp., S.A., 872 So.2d 321 (Fla. 3rd DCA 2004), the District Court of Appeal for the Third District of Florida held that members of a limited liability company’’s (LLC) management committee did not have a reasonable expectation of privacy with respect to participation in telephone conference calls with other committee members to discuss continued financing of the LLC, and thus could not hold the committee members liable for recording the conference calls. |
Originally Posted by RockyMtnScotsman
(Post 13320182)
Are you qualified to distinguish between OTC nutritional supplements and narcotics? For that matter, even if it is a narcotic, are you able to mind read and determine that the holder does not have a current prescription for said items and obtained it through illicit means?
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Originally Posted by Trollkiller
(Post 13320441)
Prescription drugs are to be kept in their original labeled container. Having a prescription drug, even if it is prescribed to you, stored outside the original labeled container is illegal.
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Originally Posted by RockyMtnScotsman
(Post 13320182)
Are you qualified to distinguish between OTC nutritional supplements and narcotics? For that matter, even if it is a narcotic, are you able to mind read and determine that the holder does not have a current prescription for said items and obtained it through illicit means?
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Originally Posted by TSO1973
(Post 13320531)
That's for the LEO to determine and investigate. A TSO simply reports the findings should he/she come across it.
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Originally Posted by ND Sol
(Post 13320381)
This is not legal advice, but I don't think that Florida law is that black and white based on further review. This site provides a synopsis of what I have read:
Originally Posted by RockyMtnScotsman
(Post 13320479)
I'm not saying you're wrong, but I'd love to see the citation of that law
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Originally Posted by pmocek
(Post 13320553)
Do you report all findings to police, or do you determine which findings should be referred to police for investigation?
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Originally Posted by RockyMtnScotsman
(Post 13320479)
I'm not saying you're wrong, but I'd love to see the citation of that law
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I carry a modified one of these on my keys:
http://www.swissarmy.com/images/Prod...81_sol_a02.jpg Mine has just the nail file, tweezers, and scissors, but no knife. Just recently they caught it on x-ray and called a bag check, the first time in about 50 flights. I explained it wasn't a knife, and the TSO opened it all the way up and then passed it with a stern warning that I should pull it out of my bag and send it through separately because they'll catch it every time. Wrong--she is far more confident in TSA's detection ability than seems warranted. Maybe it seems like a stupid little game, but my little not-a-knife fob reminds me of the waste that is TSA. (Yeah I'm bitter--the bastages made my wife cry.) |
Originally Posted by pmocek
(Post 13314314)
Why would you summoning a law enforcement officer have any effect on him? You can't hold him while you wait on the cop, right?
If he is finger snapping distance away he could be in trouble. Wonder how cops like being summoned by high school drop outs? |
Originally Posted by mikeef
(Post 13318961)
The question you asked was whether we would want you to stop a child pornographer. Everyone said "no." Let's not worry about who is assuming what about your actions. You had questions, we had answers.
Sorry, TK, the question was actually about fun at the airport. Please continue. Mike |
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