TSA wielding Magic Paper?
Jan 20, 2010 | 12:13 pm
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Their magic paper is more powerful than your magic rock. Magic paper can be defeated only by magic scissors.
Jan 20, 2010 | 5:12 pm
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Jan 20, 2010 | 5:26 pm
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Jan 21, 2010 | 1:34 am
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Anyone else seen the magic strips at work yet? We had our fellow FTer have that SEA experience. Anyone else have to tell Comrade TSO to pound sand on this?
Jan 21, 2010 | 9:55 am
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I had my prescription mouthwash go through the magic paper test in DFW a little over 2 years ago. So it is not that new.
Jan 21, 2010 | 11:48 pm
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"Well, I can give you my expert opinion (youll have to trust me that I know something about this) that no non-dip stick could reliably detect hydrogen peroxide. So they make a big deal about peroxides, prohibit contact solution that contains it, etc, but use a test that cant detect it."
Also, hydrogen peroxide by itself does not make a liquid explosive. I believe it is an oxidizer, which burns rather than explodes.
(emphasis mine)
"Nobody from TSA is coming anywhere near my gear with some "testing" supply that comes out of an unmarked bottle. If I don't have the ability to locate an MSDS for a chemical product, it ain't getting in close proximity to me (sorry, too many years in the firehouse and too many HazMat classes).
Of course, my guess at the reason for the unmarked bottle - TSA knows some people will search for information, find out that it is more BS theater and post on the 'net."
"Nobody from TSA is coming anywhere near my gear with some "testing" supply that comes out of an unmarked bottle. If I don't have the ability to locate an MSDS for a chemical product, it ain't getting in close proximity to me (sorry, too many years in the firehouse and too many HazMat classes).
Of course, my guess at the reason for the unmarked bottle - TSA knows some people will search for information, find out that it is more BS theater and post on the 'net."
I'm a patient person. I will continue to look on the Internet, from time to time, to search for info on them.
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Jan 22, 2010 | 8:22 am
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I will say it again - none of that drek is going anywhere near any item I am going to ingest without my being able to see appropriate safety information in the form of an MSDS or being able to research the materials with the manufacturer of record. Based on personal observations, both of the components of this testing system are stored in unmarked containers, which is a violation of OSHA standards according to my HazMat instructors. The TSA is obfuscating this issue behind SSI...the intentional "trust us, it's for security" attitudes don't cut it.
Jan 23, 2010 | 1:58 am
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"Without any knowledge of them, it is absolutely appropriate to make a negative statement about them.
I will say it again - none of that drek is going anywhere near any item I am going to ingest without my being able to see appropriate safety information in the form of an MSDS or being able to research the materials with the manufacturer of record. Based on personal observations, both of the components of this testing system are stored in unmarked containers, which is a violation of OSHA standards according to my HazMat instructors. The TSA is obfuscating this issue behind SSI...the intentional "trust us, it's for security" attitudes don't cut it."
I will say it again - none of that drek is going anywhere near any item I am going to ingest without my being able to see appropriate safety information in the form of an MSDS or being able to research the materials with the manufacturer of record. Based on personal observations, both of the components of this testing system are stored in unmarked containers, which is a violation of OSHA standards according to my HazMat instructors. The TSA is obfuscating this issue behind SSI...the intentional "trust us, it's for security" attitudes don't cut it."
Regarding the non-bolded statement on the safety issue, point taken.
Jan 23, 2010 | 5:29 pm
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I encountered these "strips" this week for the first time. As a result, searched here and found the thread. This "strips test" is about as ridiculous as having to take my wallet out of my pocket and place it on the belt because it is "oversized." Why was the TSA agent looking at my rear in the first place?
Has anyone else ever been through security at BTV, those people are ruthless. Not to mention the ratio of agents/travelers is just absurd. I'm guessing it's due to the proximity to Canada, but still...
Has anyone else ever been through security at BTV, those people are ruthless. Not to mention the ratio of agents/travelers is just absurd. I'm guessing it's due to the proximity to Canada, but still...
Jan 23, 2010 | 5:44 pm
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I encountered these "strips" this week for the first time. As a result, searched here and found the thread. This "strips test" is about as ridiculous as having to take my wallet out of my pocket and place it on the belt because it is "oversized." Why was the TSA agent looking at my rear in the first place?
Jan 23, 2010 | 5:45 pm
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Jan 23, 2010 | 7:50 pm
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Feb 8, 2010 | 1:53 pm
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TSO Ron defends the technology of the Magic Paper Wands over in "Just Say No" thread:
Chemical test strips are a proven technology. I use them in not only my work but also at home in my fish tanks. Been using them for more than 20 years, so I have a fair understanding on how they work and how well. I will continue to depend on my experience and training concerning these rather than the dubious opinions of the home chemists here.
Chemical test strips are a proven technology. I use them in not only my work but also at home in my fish tanks. Been using them for more than 20 years, so I have a fair understanding on how they work and how well. I will continue to depend on my experience and training concerning these rather than the dubious opinions of the home chemists here.
Feb 9, 2010 | 3:49 am
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TSO Ron defends the technology of the Magic Paper Wands over in "Just Say No" thread:
Chemical test strips are a proven technology. I use them in not only my work but also at home in my fish tanks. Been using them for more than 20 years, so I have a fair understanding on how they work and how well. I will continue to depend on my experience and training concerning these rather than the dubious opinions of the home chemists here.
Chemical test strips are a proven technology. I use them in not only my work but also at home in my fish tanks. Been using them for more than 20 years, so I have a fair understanding on how they work and how well. I will continue to depend on my experience and training concerning these rather than the dubious opinions of the home chemists here.
