Behavioral detection gone awry
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Behavioral detection gone awry
A good friend of mine just had a terrible experience at Detroit. She is a Midwesterner living on the East Coast, a highly-educated professional, attractive, usually well-dressed, and mild-mannered. She was visiting her parents and flying home. Nonstop, domestic flight. She did not have any problems with Secure Flight or watch lists.
She is a frequent flyer, and has taken the same trip many times. Her name, demeanor, accent, clothing, etc. are unmistakably American.
She is not prone to exaggeration, and doesn't usually complain about airport security. She happened to mention this to me because she knows that I fly a lot.
After uneventful check-in and ID inspection, she went to get in line for the x-ray and metal detector.
A BDO pulled her out of line, and she was taken to an interview room. She was told that her behavior "aroused suspicion" (perhaps not in those words.) The BDO and another agent conference called some TSA phone number. They asked her repeatedly about the nature of her trip, how often she'd lived at each address, the nature of her work, her father's birthdate, her mother's maiden name, and... my favorite... the last four digits of her FATHER's social security number. (She said, "How would I know that?")
She was eventually released and allowed to fly. I don't know if she had selectee screening, but I think that's probably likely.
I used to think that behavioral profiling made some sort of sense. But now I'm reconsidering. The best I can imagine is that the BDO's are new, newly trained, and want to test out their skills.
They may have actually picked her just because it would be less work: she's young, articulate, etc... so the background check would be simpler and they could act as if they're doing something. (In random screening, it's easier to pick the guy with a small bag and light clothing.)
She's not a complainer, and just wanted to get home. But I find this incident troubling. Of course I wasn't there, perhaps my friend had completely gone nuts and was acting erratically (I strongly doubt that.) There may have been a specific threat about young women traveling alone, as there was prior to Pan Am 103 (I doubt that as well... and there are a lot of women traveling alone through Detroit.)
I hope that this was a one-time incident.
She is a frequent flyer, and has taken the same trip many times. Her name, demeanor, accent, clothing, etc. are unmistakably American.
She is not prone to exaggeration, and doesn't usually complain about airport security. She happened to mention this to me because she knows that I fly a lot.
After uneventful check-in and ID inspection, she went to get in line for the x-ray and metal detector.
A BDO pulled her out of line, and she was taken to an interview room. She was told that her behavior "aroused suspicion" (perhaps not in those words.) The BDO and another agent conference called some TSA phone number. They asked her repeatedly about the nature of her trip, how often she'd lived at each address, the nature of her work, her father's birthdate, her mother's maiden name, and... my favorite... the last four digits of her FATHER's social security number. (She said, "How would I know that?")
She was eventually released and allowed to fly. I don't know if she had selectee screening, but I think that's probably likely.
I used to think that behavioral profiling made some sort of sense. But now I'm reconsidering. The best I can imagine is that the BDO's are new, newly trained, and want to test out their skills.
They may have actually picked her just because it would be less work: she's young, articulate, etc... so the background check would be simpler and they could act as if they're doing something. (In random screening, it's easier to pick the guy with a small bag and light clothing.)
She's not a complainer, and just wanted to get home. But I find this incident troubling. Of course I wasn't there, perhaps my friend had completely gone nuts and was acting erratically (I strongly doubt that.) There may have been a specific threat about young women traveling alone, as there was prior to Pan Am 103 (I doubt that as well... and there are a lot of women traveling alone through Detroit.)
I hope that this was a one-time incident.
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Behavioral profiling does not work in an airport termianl environment. At best, it may be useful as an adjunct to conducting interviews; for picking people out of a line up it is useless even for trained, competent practitioners. The TSA's "officers" don't come close to that definitiion.
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They asked her repeatedly about the nature of her trip, how often she'd lived at each address, the nature of her work, her father's birthdate, her mother's maiden name, and... my favorite... the last four digits of her FATHER's social security number. (She said, "How would I know that?")
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These TSA employees know perfectly well that nobody they interview is a terrorist or ever will be. They know it's all for show, and they choose people for their own reasons. Attractive women are an obvious choice.
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And they would have told her where she was going to stay.
One of the many broken things about the TSA is that they have unchecked power. You have no recourse. They can search your bags, even looking through papers. They can point to almost anything and say you can't take it through security. Pointing out that their published rules allow it can get you detained and threatened with arrest. Even if they can't make it stick, they can easily make you miss your flight. And probably get commended for doing it.
All of those rights and protections you heard about as a kid -- forget them. If you want the "privilege" of traveling, you have to agree that constitutional protections do not apply.
One of the many broken things about the TSA is that they have unchecked power. You have no recourse. They can search your bags, even looking through papers. They can point to almost anything and say you can't take it through security. Pointing out that their published rules allow it can get you detained and threatened with arrest. Even if they can't make it stick, they can easily make you miss your flight. And probably get commended for doing it.
All of those rights and protections you heard about as a kid -- forget them. If you want the "privilege" of traveling, you have to agree that constitutional protections do not apply.
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This is exactly how this was expected to work. Since they cannot find terrorists, these workfare recipients will spend their time on other people, including the "objects" of their desire or hate.
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Besides being absolutely useless (how would they know if she's telling the truth or just making up answers?), a number of those questions are used for security purposes (banking websites, etc.). I would feel very uncomfortable sharing that kind of info with someone who already has my name and possibly my address.
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And they would have told her where she was going to stay.
One of the many broken things about the TSA is that they have unchecked power. You have no recourse. They can search your bags, even looking through papers. They can point to almost anything and say you can't take it through security. Pointing out that their published rules allow it can get you detained and threatened with arrest. Even if they can't make it stick, they can easily make you miss your flight. And probably get commended for doing it.
All of those rights and protections you heard about as a kid -- forget them. If you want the "privilege" of traveling, you have to agree that constitutional protections do not apply.
One of the many broken things about the TSA is that they have unchecked power. You have no recourse. They can search your bags, even looking through papers. They can point to almost anything and say you can't take it through security. Pointing out that their published rules allow it can get you detained and threatened with arrest. Even if they can't make it stick, they can easily make you miss your flight. And probably get commended for doing it.
All of those rights and protections you heard about as a kid -- forget them. If you want the "privilege" of traveling, you have to agree that constitutional protections do not apply.
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The typical traveler has no government credentials to pull out. What would you suggest to those of us in that position?

