Behavioral detection gone awry
#47
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Yes, TSAdude, she is attractive. And she doesn't look remotely Middle Eastern (I do.)
I think she probably just seemed like she'd be cooperative--the least likely to cause a problem, or to have a difficult background check. No need to use an interpreter.
They had to pick somebody, so they might as well pick an easy target.
I think she probably just seemed like she'd be cooperative--the least likely to cause a problem, or to have a difficult background check. No need to use an interpreter.
They had to pick somebody, so they might as well pick an easy target.
#48
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Yes, TSAdude, she is attractive. And she doesn't look remotely Middle Eastern (I do.)
I think she probably just seemed like she'd be cooperative--the least likely to cause a problem, or to have a difficult background check. No need to use an interpreter.
They had to pick somebody, so they might as well pick an easy target.
I think she probably just seemed like she'd be cooperative--the least likely to cause a problem, or to have a difficult background check. No need to use an interpreter.
They had to pick somebody, so they might as well pick an easy target.
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#51
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Weird little sidetrack, apparently my father's parents have the same SSN just one digit is different. I didn't know that either.
You can look up deceased people's ssn's ancestory website - which front ends the SSI datebase
http://ssdi.rootsweb.ancestry.com/
You can look up deceased people's ssn's ancestory website - which front ends the SSI datebase
http://ssdi.rootsweb.ancestry.com/
#52
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Back when they were traveling quite a bit, my DIL used to get pulled for secondary on almost every trip out of EWR. She is tall and willowy, very pretty, but very quiet and not about to put up a fuss about anything. My son, OTOH, as much as I love him, often looks like a bum, can be quite vocal and was never pulled out for secondary.
#53


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Bottom line, there is a time and place to "pick your battles" and en route to your airplane is not the time nor the place.
#54




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At what point would it be for you? Screeners do not learn their lesson when we succumb to their tyranny because it would be "inconvenient" for us.
I'm real curious where the line is for you to feel "safe" and not free.
Last edited by knotyeagle; Jan 12, 2010 at 9:33 pm
#56

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TSA knows this is a key source of their power and has embedded it within TSA's culture informally, if not formally. Hence "D Y W T F T" and a myriad of other veiled and not-so-veiled threats.
If TSA had to compensate the airlines and/or the passengers for rebooking flights missed due to TSA action (with reasonable restraints such as pax had to be in line for the checkpoint 45 minutes prior to departure or at the WTMD 35 minutes prior to departure), preferably with the compensation 60% from TSA's operating budget, 25% from the offending TSO's salary, and 15% from the TSO's supervisor, then you can bet this sort of abuse would screech to a halt.
I have little doubt that the OP's story is true, and that the traveler somehow triggered suspicion in the BDO's mind (maybe blinked the wrong way, twitched, sneezed, whatever
, or maybe her ID had scratched lamination or an address-change sticker
) and that the TSA employees (probably off the cuff and not out of any SOP) decided to use the ID verification procedure as a means to resolve their suspicion, and possible as a means of observing her reaction. The OP's story is completely believable given the mentality of TSA, our knowledge of the ID verification procedure, and TSA's consistent refusal to advise passengers on TSA's procedures and passengers' rights and obligations when at a TSA checkpoint.As an aside, I suspect that using the traveler's father's partial SSN or even the traveler's SSN for identity verification is an illegal use of SSNs and possibly subject to some sort of criminal prosecution. IIRC there are pretty serious restrictions on use of SSN's, and the travelers' father certainly never consented to the the use of his SSN for this process.
#57
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In your opinion, perhaps. Unless I'm going to a loved one's funeral, I can't think of any trip that is more important than standing up to the fascist practices of the TSA.


