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Old Dec 30, 2009 | 3:18 pm
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From CNN: "Is aviation security mostly for show?"

Very well said.


http://www.cnn.com/2009/OPINION/12/2...ter/index.html
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Old Dec 30, 2009 | 3:30 pm
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IMHO, yes, pretty much so. Continued failed red team tests. Cargo not screened as Congress mandated. Ineffective screening procedures. Failure to secure baggage after screening. Rude staff. Incompetant staff.
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Old Dec 30, 2009 | 3:46 pm
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And as much chance of spotting a terrorist before they get on the plane as they did back in 2001

Remind me, what's all the money gone on?
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Old Dec 30, 2009 | 3:47 pm
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Article's been linked several times already. Perhaps the threads should be merged.
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Old Dec 30, 2009 | 3:48 pm
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6) Body scanners are likely to be much more widely used and deployed in U.S. airports. The list of people who receive special security screening is likely to be increased somewhat but not dramatically, because that would slow down travelers and dilute the attention to the highest-risk cases. “If you’re watching everybody, you’re watching nobody,” an official said.

Read more: http://www.politico.com/news/stories...#ixzz0bDSeTYLx

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Old Dec 30, 2009 | 9:44 pm
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And as much chance of spotting a terrorist before they get on the plane as they did back in 2001

Remind me, what's all the money gone on?


What does a terrorist look like?

White
Black
Middle Eastern
American
Nigerian
Asian
Male
Female
Young
Old
Short
Tall
Skinny
Fat

I can go on and on and on...

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Old Dec 30, 2009 | 9:47 pm
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What does a terrorist look like?

White
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Short
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Fat

I can go on and on and on...

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Old Dec 30, 2009 | 9:50 pm
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IMHO, yes, pretty much so. Continued failed red team tests. Cargo not screened as Congress mandated. Ineffective screening procedures. Failure to secure baggage after screening. Rude staff. Incompetant staff.
If it is such ineffective screening with rude and incompetant staff, why do you utilize air travel instead of driving, or taking the bus or train?
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Old Dec 30, 2009 | 9:53 pm
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If it is such ineffective screening with rude and incompetant staff, why do you utilize air travel instead of driving, or taking the bus or train?
Kind of a long drive to Hawaii without a road. Alaska would take a lot more time and I get seasick. And to get to use a decent train service, I'd have to cross the Atlantic Ocean.

So what happened to that "Engage" training where you were supposed to learn how to be customer friendly instead of antagonistic?
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Old Dec 30, 2009 | 10:00 pm
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If it is such ineffective screening with rude and incompetant staff, why do you utilize air travel instead of driving, or taking the bus or train?
Because the TSA has its tentacles searching Greyhound buses.

And at Amtrak.

Haven't seen them at rent-a-car facilities yet. But then again, your smugness goes faster than any car available.
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Old Dec 30, 2009 | 10:05 pm
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Originally Posted by AirlineBrat53
Kind of a long drive to Hawaii without a road. Alaska would take a lot more time and I get seasick. And to get to use a decent train service, I'd have to cross the Atlantic Ocean.

So what happened to that "Engage" training where you were supposed to learn how to be customer friendly instead of antagonistic?
We don't have customers, we have passengers...

And it doesn't have to be "customer service", it can be "respect" and respect is a two way street...

With the way we are attacked on here, why ask about being antagonistic?
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Old Dec 30, 2009 | 10:16 pm
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We don't have customers, we have passengers...
Of course you don't. That's why the TSA issues customer service guidelines (pdf file), but you likely threw that away.

And to prove that TSA doesn't have any customers, they hire a Customer Support & Quality Improvement Manager.


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And it doesn't have to be "customer service", it can be "respect" and respect is a two way street...
You EARN respect, you don't purchase it, like the TSA tries to do.


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With the way we are attacked on here, why ask about being antagonistic?
Because you consistently are smug in this forum, talking about go take a bus or a train, when your agency regularly does its PR thing by making its miserable presence known by ambushing passengers on trains and buses.
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Old Dec 30, 2009 | 10:38 pm
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Originally Posted by whatsinyourbag
And it doesn't have to be "customer service", it can be "respect" and respect is a two way street...

With the way we are attacked on here, why ask about being antagonistic?
Because, as Spiderman said, "with great power comes great responsibility".

In the interaction between a TSO and a passenger at a checkpoint, the TSO has far more power than the passenger does. Consequently, the TSO bears far greater responsibility for being respectful in that interaction.

As AirlineBrat53 said ... isn't that what "Engage!" was supposed to be about?
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Old Dec 30, 2009 | 10:44 pm
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If it is such ineffective screening with rude and incompetant staff, why do you utilize air travel instead of driving, or taking the bus or train?
I do drive for round trips less than 1000 miles. The ONLY reason I fly is because of business and if TSA makes it too difficult, may find other employment. You might want to see what TSA has done to color my attitude though.
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Old Dec 30, 2009 | 11:07 pm
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We don't have customers,
Bzzzzzt. Wrong.

US Taxpayers are TSA customers. They expect value for money and a measure of respect that should come readily from those who suckle on the public teat.
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