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Old Dec 23, 2009 | 11:51 am
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Originally Posted by jkhuggins
You may have answered this at some point, but ...

What have you been told about the "new" rule about ice? I'm more interested in what you've heard through official channels, not what you've read on the TSA Blog or Flyertalk ...
Officially, I have only the info posted on the blog, but an update is expected soon. Holy crap a lot of questions in one day!
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Old Dec 23, 2009 | 11:52 am
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Originally Posted by Boggie Dog
Is this in part why some of the liquid restrictions have not been modified?
Officially I have nothing, but my opinion is that the agency is waiting until they have a better way to screen LAG before they modify the procedures, it only makes sense.
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Old Dec 23, 2009 | 11:59 am
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Originally Posted by ND Sol
If I refuse to show my ID to the TDC, what will happen and under what authority?

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Per public announcement from TSA.Gov, the persons refusing to show ID will be denied access to the sterile area. http://www.tsa.gov/press/happenings/...uirements.shtm

It states that this is covered under the authority granted by 49 C.F.R. 1540.105(a)(2). I do not have the specific passage, but you can access the above listed reg via online at
http://law.justia.com/us/cfr/title49....8.2.10.3.html

Hope this answers the question for you.
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Old Dec 23, 2009 | 12:05 pm
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Originally Posted by BarbiJKM
I, for one, have to admire a TSO who would stick his/her neck out in an attempt to be helpful on this board, given the chilly climate... so thanks for the offer!
Thanks for the warm reception!
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Old Dec 23, 2009 | 12:11 pm
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Originally Posted by gsoltso
Per public announcement from TSA.Gov, the persons refusing to show ID will be denied access to the sterile area. http://www.tsa.gov/press/happenings/...uirements.shtm

It states that this is covered under the authority granted by 49 C.F.R. 1540.105(a)(2). I do not have the specific passage, but you can access the above listed reg via online at
http://law.justia.com/us/cfr/title49....8.2.10.3.html



Hope this answers the question for you.
Interesting to note:

1540.107 Submission to screening and inspection.

No individual may enter a sterile area or board an aircraft without submitting to the screening and inspection of his or her person and accessible property in accordance with the procedures being applied to control access to that area or aircraft under this subchapter.

Apparently this portion of the law is ignored every day by the TSA with its own employees.
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Old Dec 23, 2009 | 12:22 pm
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I have a question about the liquid policy..

Since you have to assume that all liquids air travelers carry are dangerous explosives, when you confiscate liquids that are > 3.4 ounces, why is it procedure to literally throw all of the dangerous liquid explosives in a big garbage can together (..in an area full of people?)
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Old Dec 23, 2009 | 12:24 pm
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Originally Posted by goalie
my (loaded) question

what constitutes screener/tso discretion regarding the 3.4 ounces of liquids restriction and why would it be allowed at all with the exception of medical and infant needs? we've all read, heard and perhaps even experienced situations where the infamous 3.4 ounce liquid restriction has been (for lack of a better term) "waived" but it still boggles my mind that with all the brow beating we get that "only liquids 3.4 ounces or less" will be permitted into the secure area.....
The only information I can impart on this subject is the official posted stuff from TSA.GOV. It tells that there is some allowances made for specific types of LAG. I am sorry, I can't give you any more information than is listed here on the official page :

http://www.tsa.gov/311/311-carry-ons.shtm

On a side note, I had a question earlier about ICE, according to this page:

Frozen gels/liquids are permitted if required to cool medical and infant/child exemptions. Ice is permitted as long as there is no melted liquid present.

That is all I find on ice. Sorry I missed it earlier.
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Old Dec 23, 2009 | 12:30 pm
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Originally Posted by 4444
while traveling ewr-las this summer i was asked, at the gate by a tso, if he could see my camera bag. i was talking on the phone and responded with a polite "no". the guy looked at me funny and didnt say another word. i went on my way. my 2 part question is...

1. why am i being bothered at the gate after being screened already?
2. if i was trying to hide something shouldnt the guy have been a little more firm when i told him to f off?
Well, I can't comment on what the TSO on scene did or was supposed to do, but the reasoning behind the gate screening is increased security presence per :

http://www.tsa.gov/press/happenings/..._at_gates.shtm
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Old Dec 23, 2009 | 12:32 pm
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Sorry if this has been answered already but...Why is it a hit or miss when I want to bring my cigar cutter in my carry on? I know I can print out the rules but I'd hate to get into a pissing contest over a $30 cutter.
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Old Dec 23, 2009 | 12:40 pm
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Originally Posted by mattm00se
I have a question about the liquid policy..

Since you have to assume that all liquids air travelers carry are dangerous explosives, when you confiscate liquids that are > 3.4 ounces, why is it procedure to literally throw all of the dangerous liquid explosives in a big garbage can together (..in an area full of people?)
The theory behind it is that it is preventative methods, people know they can't take liquids over size and thus will not try that avenue. (At least that is my reasoning behind it)

Originally Posted by mugen910
Sorry if this has been answered already but...Why is it a hit or miss when I want to bring my cigar cutter in my carry on? I know I can print out the rules but I'd hate to get into a pissing contest over a $30 cutter.
In Canada, it depends on how accessible the blades are, ie can you easily break it open and use the blades inside as a weapon?
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Old Dec 23, 2009 | 1:02 pm
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Originally Posted by gsoltso
I felt the need to do this becuase most threads at the TSA Blog are specific in nature. This is an open forum to ask any question you want to. This may also alleviate some of the highjacking of threads that happens a lot over at TSA ( I seriously doubt it, but at least I am making an effort). This thread was set up with no specific blog subject, but a completely open floor where any question can be asked.
Why not have a "Open Question" thread on PV and actually answer some questions?
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Old Dec 23, 2009 | 1:08 pm
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Originally Posted by unLogical

In Canada, it depends on how accessible the blades are, ie can you easily break it open and use the blades inside as a weapon?
I suppose you can break it open and use it as blades but the blade would be tiny..
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Old Dec 23, 2009 | 1:10 pm
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Question: WTMD sensitivity

Why does the sensitivity of the WTMD vary between airports. I fly DFW-SEA and the exact same amount of metal (Titanium watch & bracelet, base metal belt buckle - small) ALWAYS sets off the WTMD @ SEA and NEVER @ DFW...

Doesn't matter which terminal @ DFW (A, C or D).
Always same pair of WTMD @ SEA.
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Old Dec 23, 2009 | 1:49 pm
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Originally Posted by BStrauss3
Why does the sensitivity of the WTMD vary between airports. I fly DFW-SEA and the exact same amount of metal (Titanium watch & bracelet, base metal belt buckle - small) ALWAYS sets off the WTMD @ SEA and NEVER @ DFW...

Doesn't matter which terminal @ DFW (A, C or D).
Always same pair of WTMD @ SEA.
Just out of curiosity, is the airport with the lower sensitivity a busier airport?
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Old Dec 23, 2009 | 5:18 pm
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Originally Posted by gsoltso
I do not recommend a confrontation at a checkpoint, .
Thank you for putting words in my mouth. I did not say anything about creating a confrontation at a checkpoint. TSO's do a very good job without a passengers help, like Beirfeldt, nipple gate, and the home made battery pack that was not a bomb. To name a few.

What I did say is that you are not speaking as an authorized representative of the TSA everything you post is of no value in the event of a problem at a checkpoint. Anyone can post links to the TSA website.
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