Norwegian Air LAX to MXP Cancelled?
#16
Join Date: May 2018
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Well, they gave you correct information. There is a problem with the Rolls Royce Trent 1000 engines, which is the engine that Norwegian chose for their 787s. Due to abnormally high wear and tear, all Rolls Royce Trent 1000 engines need to be replaced on 787s worldwide. Some airlines have GE GenX engines on their 787s and are not effected by this. Just google Norwegian Rolls Royce and you can find a ton of articles on the subject. Norwegian has had to take a large number of their 787s out of service and wet lease some aircraft from other operators to help fill some of the gaps.
Any request you have to be compensated above a refund of what you paid will be rejected because of this. It's a legitimate cancellation. Norwegian is using this to cancel the route, but it's legal for them to do so.
Any request you have to be compensated above a refund of what you paid will be rejected because of this. It's a legitimate cancellation. Norwegian is using this to cancel the route, but it's legal for them to do so.
#17
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I hadn't find any information about the engine problems in the Rolls Royce website. So I said that the company was cancelling the route, and that is under their control so there must be a compensation because is not for extraordinary circumstances. Then I did a search and found newspapers information about the engine problems. So maybe my complain will not have success.
The airline is obliged, however, to offer full reimbursement, travel via comparable means as soon as possible, or travel via comparable means on another date at the choice of the affected passenger.
#18
Join Date: Jun 2015
Location: DCA
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Rebooking
I was booked to fly this June 2$rd, and I called, and that was indeed cancelled. After an hour or more on the phone, they rebooked me on an Oakland to Rome flight, which wasn't a problem for me since I'm trying to get from Oregon to Bologna, but might be for other people. I wanted to get the LAX to Rome flight as my first pick, but the non-stop was sold out by the time they got to me. There should be alternative gliflig, however, through some Nordic countries or Gatwick.
#19
Join Date: Aug 2009
Posts: 502
Two things I want to say:
First- I was planning to use Norwegian about six months from now. Do you think the risk of bankruptcy is that high that I shouldn't take the risk
The above-mentioned posts imply a pretty sleazy pre-bankruptcy tactic. Same thing happened with a certain wine store in Berkeley that sold millions of dollars of wine on "futures" (you pay for the wine and receive it a few years later). The company went bankrupt and about $30 million was lost by these futures buyers
First- I was planning to use Norwegian about six months from now. Do you think the risk of bankruptcy is that high that I shouldn't take the risk
The above-mentioned posts imply a pretty sleazy pre-bankruptcy tactic. Same thing happened with a certain wine store in Berkeley that sold millions of dollars of wine on "futures" (you pay for the wine and receive it a few years later). The company went bankrupt and about $30 million was lost by these futures buyers
#20
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It happened the same to me. I can't believe it. I already booked a flight with Alaska to reach LAX. The conditions say that no compensation if the " cause for the delay or cancellation is due to extraordinary circumstances..like unforeseen circumstances that represent a safety hazard beyond our control.". In the email of the cancellation, they say that the reason is " Mandatory inspections from aviation authorities on a specific type of Rolls Royce engine have forced us to take aircraft out of service, which regrettably means we are not able to operate the Milan to Los Angeles route as planned" but this is for sure a lie, because they cancelled the route. Cancelling route is not an extraordinary circumstance and is under their control. They need to refound our tickets AND give a compensation!!!!
How can we act in this circumstance? Who do we refer to?
How can we act in this circumstance? Who do we refer to?
However, they are supposed to offer you - under Articles 5 & 8 of EC261/2004 - the choice between reimbursement of the ticket, or re-routing (rebooking) of your flight under comparable conditions, either on the same day or at a date chosen by the passenger. This applies in all cases - regardless of the reason for the cancellation (so, again, their reference to "extraordinary circumstances" is not a get-off-the-hook clause for them).
Note that, whatever you choose (and I think you will struggle to get them to rebook you), they are not responsible for any additional costs you incur due to other non-refundable bookings already made around this trip.
Perhaps you have travel/credit-card insurance you can fall back on?
#21
Join Date: Aug 1999
Posts: 86
Hi, I’m in a similar unfortunate boat. Our flight home map->lax was cancelled with the only alternative on the same day I can find being cdg to oak (oak is actually preferable for us) but getting to cdg would required $1300 in new money (family of four traveling).
any thoughts on how to approach Norwegian here? I should add that Norwegian hasn’t actually contacted about this yet (flight is in late June) and I’m tempted to leave it alone until the 2 week mark when they have to offer compensation but prob won’t since I don’t want to risk their aother options filling up. Thanks for any thoughts or advice!
any thoughts on how to approach Norwegian here? I should add that Norwegian hasn’t actually contacted about this yet (flight is in late June) and I’m tempted to leave it alone until the 2 week mark when they have to offer compensation but prob won’t since I don’t want to risk their aother options filling up. Thanks for any thoughts or advice!
#22
Join Date: Jan 2016
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Hi, I’m in a similar unfortunate boat. Our flight home map->lax was cancelled with the only alternative on the same day I can find being cdg to oak (oak is actually preferable for us) but getting to cdg would required $1300 in new money (family of four traveling).
any thoughts on how to approach Norwegian here? I should add that Norwegian hasn’t actually contacted about this yet (flight is in late June) and I’m tempted to leave it alone until the 2 week mark when they have to offer compensation but prob won’t since I don’t want to risk their aother options filling up. Thanks for any thoughts or advice!
any thoughts on how to approach Norwegian here? I should add that Norwegian hasn’t actually contacted about this yet (flight is in late June) and I’m tempted to leave it alone until the 2 week mark when they have to offer compensation but prob won’t since I don’t want to risk their aother options filling up. Thanks for any thoughts or advice!
If they cancelled your MXP-LAX flight, it would be reasonable to expect them to put you on CDG-OAK instead. You could call Norwegian and ask that question, and see what they say.
#24
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Don't put more into this than need be.
#25
Join Date: May 2018
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I bought the flight in february, I don't think that the bank will cancel the payment after all that time. Anyway, I will go and ask.
And I'm just trying to understand if someone else have experienced a delay in the payment. Not putting more than needed, just trying to understand.
And I'm just trying to understand if someone else have experienced a delay in the payment. Not putting more than needed, just trying to understand.
#26
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I bought the flight in february, I don't think that the bank will cancel the payment after all that time. Anyway, I will go and ask.
And I'm just trying to understand if someone else have experienced a delay in the payment. Not putting more than needed, just trying to understand.
And I'm just trying to understand if someone else have experienced a delay in the payment. Not putting more than needed, just trying to understand.
Debit card = out of luck for a chargeback.
Credit card = Maybe able to do a chargeback. It has to be less than 60 days since the credit card company billed you for the ticket.
No one should be buying a ticket on Norwegian more than 60 days prior to travel AND they should only use a credit card. In addition, they should also buy trip cancellation insurance. While Norwegian's ticket prices seem like a bargain, they are selling their tickets below cost. A company can only do that for a while before it goes out of business. Norwegian is close to either going out of business of being sold to IAG.
See this link: https://hasbrouck.org/articles/bankruptcy.html
While that article applies to bankrupt airlines (Norwegian's very close), note the following - this part details time limitations of credit card chargebacks:
If I paid for tickets by credit card, and the airline goes out of business, can I get my money back from the credit card company?
In the USA, yes, but only if you paid by credit (not debit) card, the credit card bank is still solvent (in the current financial crisis, a major airline bankruptcy could push their credit card merchant bank into bankruptcy), the airline ceases service entirely, and you make a "chargeback" request in writing to the issuer of your credit card, no later than 60 days after the date that you received the first credit card billing statement that listed the charge for the tickets. If you buy tickets more than 60 days in advance, and the airline goes out of business more than 60 days after you got the bill for the tickets, it's too late to request a credit. This 60-day limitation is part of the same USA law that provides the right to a chargeback if you don't receive the goods or services, the Fair Credit Billing Act. It could be changed by Congress, but there has been no proposal in Congress to extend the 60-day chargeback request window.
#27
Join Date: May 2018
Posts: 9
I paid with debit card.
The point is that they cancelled the route, and they offered the option of refund or change. I chose the refund because I don't trust in that company anymore and thought was better not to have another ticket in risk of cancellation. I bought my flight in february to travel in June, because it was the cheapest I found and I had a reduced budget.
Since the company isn't bankrupt yet (to my knowledge), I pretend them to give me the money back. They offered that option and must follow that I think.
The point is that they cancelled the route, and they offered the option of refund or change. I chose the refund because I don't trust in that company anymore and thought was better not to have another ticket in risk of cancellation. I bought my flight in february to travel in June, because it was the cheapest I found and I had a reduced budget.
Since the company isn't bankrupt yet (to my knowledge), I pretend them to give me the money back. They offered that option and must follow that I think.
#28
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I paid with debit card.
The point is that they cancelled the route, and they offered the option of refund or change. I chose the refund because I don't trust in that company anymore and thought was better not to have another ticket in risk of cancellation. I bought my flight in february to travel in June, because it was the cheapest I found and I had a reduced budget.
Since the company isn't bankrupt yet (to my knowledge), I pretend them to give me the money back. They offered that option and must follow that I think.
The point is that they cancelled the route, and they offered the option of refund or change. I chose the refund because I don't trust in that company anymore and thought was better not to have another ticket in risk of cancellation. I bought my flight in february to travel in June, because it was the cheapest I found and I had a reduced budget.
Since the company isn't bankrupt yet (to my knowledge), I pretend them to give me the money back. They offered that option and must follow that I think.
While this information does not help you, perhaps it will assist someone else (there are many more people who read these forums than post on them) who opts to roll the bones and buy a ticket on Norwegian - as in using a credit card and buying travel insurance are pretty much mandatory if one buys a ticket with Norwegian. Given the amount of time spent trying to get resolutions by multiple posters to relatively mundane circumstances involving Norwegian, it is beyond me why anyone would continue to buy tickets from Norwegian.
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#30
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Likely US. She booked a flight on Alaska to get to LAX in order to fly LAX-MXP on Norwegian. While Alaska also serves Mexico and Canada, the probabilities favor US citizenship.