Norwegian to fly between UK, Ireland and U.S. NE Coast cities. from Summer 2017.
Apr 15, 2018, 4:07 am
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Didn’t they do all that a good decade ago, with things like Song, TED, Jazz, Tango etc.? Glad music is so important to them, although TED made me think of teddy bears. Though as I write this I realize these were for domestic travel only and not long-distance international. So I’ve rolled slightly off topic here. Actually, Jazz is the only one out of that lot that seems to have survived in a way.
Apr 15, 2018, 4:17 am
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Didn’t they do all that a good decade ago, with things like Song, TED, Jazz, Tango etc.? Glad music is so important to them, although TED made me think of teddy bears. Though as I write this I realize these were for domestic travel only and not long-distance international. So I’ve rolled slightly off topic here. Actually, Jazz is the only one out of that lot that seems to have survived in a way.
The difference is that the US carriers get their main part of the market from domestic for BA the long haul part weighs far more heavily.
Apr 15, 2018, 6:50 am
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Actually those airlines with funny names were created about 15 years ago, I think, and only lasted a short time.. But today is a vastly different landscape to then soak the comparison is probably spurious.
Apr 16, 2018, 6:25 am
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Apr 16, 2018, 7:52 am
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This is a very different set of circumstances from the USA domestic market, where coach is where the money is made. It explains why we traditionally don't have a lot of low fare int'l airlines leaving from the USA -- although lots of folks now seem to be trying across the Atlantic.
Apr 16, 2018, 9:13 am
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How could they not, with their JVs allowing them to overcharge? That's why new entrants such as Norwegian are seen as so threatening and why the US airlines fought to have DY stopped.
The fact remains, however, that US airlines make the bulk of their money at home. In Q4 2017, 63% of United's total passenger revenue was attributed to Domestic services. Over at Delta, domestic passenger revenue accounted for 73% of all passenger revenue in the December quarter. AA report a higher yield for domestic traffic than for international traffic for full-year 2017, and the yield on Domestic is growing faster, too.
The fact remains, however, that US airlines make the bulk of their money at home. In Q4 2017, 63% of United's total passenger revenue was attributed to Domestic services. Over at Delta, domestic passenger revenue accounted for 73% of all passenger revenue in the December quarter. AA report a higher yield for domestic traffic than for international traffic for full-year 2017, and the yield on Domestic is growing faster, too.
Apr 16, 2018, 8:27 pm
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Just in case you didn't think things could get worse for Norwegian, they have.
The majority of their 787 fleet has now been restricted from extended over-water ops because of concerns about engine reliability.
New trouble lands on Norwegian?s fleet
Honestly, I'm not sure how many flights are actually impacted by the flight restrictions, or if it's more of a maintenance problem. I haven't found a story that goes into that level of detail.
Strangely, Norwegian's stock is still rising due to IAG's reported interest in buying this troubled airline.
The majority of their 787 fleet has now been restricted from extended over-water ops because of concerns about engine reliability.
New trouble lands on Norwegian?s fleet
Honestly, I'm not sure how many flights are actually impacted by the flight restrictions, or if it's more of a maintenance problem. I haven't found a story that goes into that level of detail.
Strangely, Norwegian's stock is still rising due to IAG's reported interest in buying this troubled airline.
Apr 17, 2018, 12:16 am
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The RR 787 Engine fiasco has hit a number of airlines. Norwegian has an easy way to mitigate that. So it should not hurt their finances.
Apr 17, 2018, 1:00 am
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Apr 17, 2018, 2:03 am
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Originally Posted by Bloomberg
Hardest hit will be airlines flying Boeing’s carbon-fiber airliners on trans-Pacific routes, said aviation consultant Robert Mann. Flights that typically take polar routes will need to hug the coast of Alaska, adding time and cost, he said. Trans-Atlantic service shouldn’t be affected.
Apr 17, 2018, 2:11 am
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gcmap.com has an ETOPS mapper; they don't list the Boeing 787 specifically, but I doubt its engine-out speed is much different than the Boeing 777, which I have selected. The new ETOPs limit is 140 minutes (down from 330) - I have selected both 120 and 138, and you can see, highlighted by the red circle, the only part of the Atlantic that is now off bounds for an LGW-JFK routing.
AS you can see, this is not going to have much, if any, impact on any of DY's TATL 787 routings.
In the second attachment, you can see indeed that this is primarily a problem for transpacific routes [The darker shaded parts of the ocean are the new no-go areas]
AS you can see, this is not going to have much, if any, impact on any of DY's TATL 787 routings.
In the second attachment, you can see indeed that this is primarily a problem for transpacific routes [The darker shaded parts of the ocean are the new no-go areas]
Apr 17, 2018, 3:38 am
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They will be able to cover the gap with adhoc charters, with the additional cost to be paid by/via Boeing Gold/RR liability insurance. For services they cannot cover (HiFly and Co only have so many aircraft in Summer) they will probably cancel the ineffecient routes and ask RR to pay for the lost revenue. Norwegian longhaul has plenty of experience with such situations now.... as long as the cancellations are >14 days the EU261 penalties should be minimal and longhaul LCC customers learn (yet another) their lesson.
Apr 18, 2018, 5:08 am
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Just in case you didn't think things could get worse for Norwegian, they have.
The majority of their 787 fleet has now been restricted from extended over-water ops because of concerns about engine reliability.
New trouble lands on Norwegian?s fleet
Honestly, I'm not sure how many flights are actually impacted by the flight restrictions, or if it's more of a maintenance problem. I haven't found a story that goes into that level of detail.
Strangely, Norwegian's stock is still rising due to IAG's reported interest in buying this troubled airline.
The majority of their 787 fleet has now been restricted from extended over-water ops because of concerns about engine reliability.
New trouble lands on Norwegian?s fleet
Honestly, I'm not sure how many flights are actually impacted by the flight restrictions, or if it's more of a maintenance problem. I haven't found a story that goes into that level of detail.
Strangely, Norwegian's stock is still rising due to IAG's reported interest in buying this troubled airline.
1. Are they from USA?
2.If yes, must be good
3. If no, must be corrupt, losing money, badly managed.
Apr 18, 2018, 7:03 am
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Unless they are involved in an immunised joint-venture with a US airline (thereby benefitting from their knowledge, expertise, and greatness) or, at a pinch, are not [and never have been] the subject of altruistic, pure-hearted customer-oriented complaints regarding unfair subsidies and unfair competition made by any of the knowledgable, expert and customer-focused US airlines.
(The US can't even handle foreign rivals connecting US customers via a point outside the US....and of course, foreign rivals can't connect US customers domestically)
(The US can't even handle foreign rivals connecting US customers via a point outside the US....and of course, foreign rivals can't connect US customers domestically)