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China Eastern MU5735 737-800 [not MAX] Crashed 21 March 2022, 132 onboard
May 9, 2022, 7:53 am
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The longer this takes I would suspect human error, which the chicoms are loathe to admit.
If it the working theory a Boeing part or system or metal fatigue it would come out quickly as they would need to inspect other planes.
If it the working theory a Boeing part or system or metal fatigue it would come out quickly as they would need to inspect other planes.
May 9, 2022, 8:16 am
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I would say, quite the contrary is true. Human error usually can be found rather quickly by going through the flight voice recorder and flight data recorder. The longer it takes to get results, the lower the likelihood for a human error.
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May 9, 2022, 9:37 am
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A thorough investigation just takes time. There are plenty of examples in past history in which human error was not the cause and yet it took quite some time to analyze. Don't forget that the first step is getting the data from the flight data recorder and listen to the flight voice recorder and then to map these two. This takes some time. For non-human reasons, this gives usually some hints which needs a deeper look into, i.e searching any parts of what has been left.
I would say, quite the contrary is true. Human error usually can be found rather quickly by going through the flight voice recorder and flight data recorder. The longer it takes to get results, the lower the likelihood for a human error.
I would say, quite the contrary is true. Human error usually can be found rather quickly by going through the flight voice recorder and flight data recorder. The longer it takes to get results, the lower the likelihood for a human error.
May 9, 2022, 10:14 am
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They will always find an issue, but the interaction with the crew requires subjective judgements which don't quite make it into the report.
At least the rest of the world's safety departments get to make their own responses to the event. Most of the public want everything in black and white so they have something to blame
May 17, 2022, 10:36 am
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Again, while those other possibilities can't be entirely eliminated, mechanical failures don't often result in planes straight nose-diving to the ground. Regardless, this is a thread for speculation since none of us here actually know what happened. My speculation, FWIW, is this was pilot suicide.
As I said all along! "China Eastern Black Box Points to Intentional Nosedive"
https://www.wsj.com/articles/china-e...ts_pos1&page=1
LarryJ maybe now you understand?
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May 17, 2022, 11:21 am
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“The plane did what it was told to do by someone in the cockpit,” said a person who is familiar with American officials’ preliminary assessment, which includes an analysis of information extracted from the plane’s damaged flight-data recorder.
May 17, 2022, 12:53 pm
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As I said all along! "China Eastern Black Box Points to Intentional Nosedive"
https://www.wsj.com/articles/china-e...ts_pos1&page=1
LarryJ maybe now you understand?
As I said all along! "China Eastern Black Box Points to Intentional Nosedive"
https://www.wsj.com/articles/china-e...ts_pos1&page=1
LarryJ maybe now you understand?
And unfortunately is not without precedent.
May 17, 2022, 2:17 pm
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Indeed. I have no issue with spirited debates. I have an issue with people being condescending and using their "job" to be dismissive of others. Guessing these folks won't be chiming in from this point on.
May 17, 2022, 3:46 pm
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Terrifying news all around. 3 pilots (main, co-, and shadowing) in the same cockpit, no sign of terrorism/no one attempted to break into the cockpit, no emergency code spoken on the recording, and yet with 3 people in the same pit, the plane nosedived in a almost 90 degree angle. Flight recording data has enough evidence showing the 3 of them had an agreement/intended allowing this to happen.
Not a single peep from the Chinese media.
Not a single peep from the Chinese media.
May 17, 2022, 4:08 pm
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Terrifying news all around. 3 pilots (main, co-, and shadowing) in the same cockpit, no sign of terrorism/no one attempted to break into the cockpit, no emergency code spoken on the recording, and yet with 3 people in the same pit, the plane nosedived in a almost 90 degree angle. Flight recording data has enough evidence showing the 3 of them had an agreement/intended allowing this to happen.
Not a single peep from the Chinese media.
Not a single peep from the Chinese media.
May 17, 2022, 6:44 pm
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Of course your speculation won the race, but there were many other competing theories as well still looking for evidence
May 17, 2022, 7:12 pm
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May 17, 2022, 11:08 pm
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The ‘lying flat’ movement standing in the way of China’s innovation drive
May 18, 2022, 3:02 am
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Well somewhat unsurprisingly, China is never transparent to its own people. According to Reuters report:
"Screenshots of the Wall Street Journal story appeared to be censored both on China’s Twitter-like platform Weibo and messaging app Wechat on Wednesday morning.
The hashtag topics “China Eastern” and “China Eastern black boxes” are banned on Weibo, which cited a breach of relevant laws, and users are unable to share the story in group chats on Wechat.
The CAAC [had previously] said on April 11 in response to rumours on the Internet of a deliberate crash that the speculation had “gravely misled the public” and “interfered with the accident investigation work.”"
"Screenshots of the Wall Street Journal story appeared to be censored both on China’s Twitter-like platform Weibo and messaging app Wechat on Wednesday morning.
The hashtag topics “China Eastern” and “China Eastern black boxes” are banned on Weibo, which cited a breach of relevant laws, and users are unable to share the story in group chats on Wechat.
The CAAC [had previously] said on April 11 in response to rumours on the Internet of a deliberate crash that the speculation had “gravely misled the public” and “interfered with the accident investigation work.”"
May 18, 2022, 4:42 am
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As I said all along! "China Eastern Black Box Points to Intentional Nosedive"
https://www.wsj.com/articles/china-e...ts_pos1&page=1
LarryJ maybe now you understand?
As I said all along! "China Eastern Black Box Points to Intentional Nosedive"
https://www.wsj.com/articles/china-e...ts_pos1&page=1
LarryJ maybe now you understand?
Ever heard of confirmation bias? If you go into it
The known information is consistent with a high-altitude upset. It's also consistent with an intentional act. It's also consistent with an unknown mechanical failure. It's likely also consistent with possibilities that we haven't thought of yet.
We aren't going to be able to start eliminating possibilities until we get the information from the flight recorders. I wouldn't be surprised if some information from them comes out within the next week.
We aren't going to be able to start eliminating possibilities until we get the information from the flight recorders. I wouldn't be surprised if some information from them comes out within the next week.
I do not believe that the airplane can do with in normal flight. The wing would have to be stalled. That's not based on any calculations, just my experience flying the airplane.
Again, I don't understand why everyone is focusing on an intentional act. That's possible, but there's nothing in what we know so far which suggests it is likely.
Again, I don't understand why everyone is focusing on an intentional act. That's possible, but there's nothing in what we know so far which suggests it is likely.
The lack of comfort with the alternatives does not increase the likelihood of your preferred explanation. Look at the data. As of today, there isn't enough information to draw conclusions.
I have a few theories of my own but they, similarly, do not have anything yet to back them up so I keep them to myself.
I have a few theories of my own but they, similarly, do not have anything yet to back them up so I keep them to myself.