nk15

While waiting for the boxes...

percysmith

"Investigators have found no sign that navigation or monitoring instruments failed on the plane that crashed in southern China last month, state news agency Xinhua reported on Wednesday."
Black boxes still being read
CAAC submitted 30-day interim report to ICAO but this interim report has not been published, only the summary.

https://www.scmp.com/news/china/poli...nce-navigation

bzcat

That's diplomatic way of saying human factor is the main focus now

Sandeep1

As I’ve been saying all along

Lomapaseo

Not so fast
. It also matches PA103 and TWA800.

let's wait until the debris is is identified, the same that was done as an example of those two events

Scrooge McDuck

What makes you so sure that human factor is now the mail culprit? Non-failure of navigation or monitoring instruments just rules out - at this point in time - this and nothing else. Still in the game are also structural failures, maintenance issues, design flaws, ... Examples would be Boeing 737 rudder issues, Alaska Airlines Flight 261 or Continental Express Flight 2574

Sandeep1

It seems posters here are hoping it wasn’t an intentional act for some reason.

Lomapaseo

good for you
now you are speculating what's in our minds as well

argue, but don't accuse

Scrooge McDuck

I am just pointing out that there are still plenty of reasons that can have the same pattern of the crash. Just look at past incidents. Unless proven otherwise, nothing can be excluded. This is the one and only way to enhance security for the benefit of everyone.

On there other hand, there seem to be people in this thread being fixed to one single cause. I honestly doubt if this is a wise approach ... Being in China does not necessarily mean that the pilots are less educated and professional. There are plenty of incidents in US history which are related to poor crew actions.

mtofell

I'm addicted to a Podcast called, "Black Box Down." They profile a different airplane crash each week and it's fascinating. Your quote is spot on. It's almost always some combination of less than ideal conditions or something mechanical and an incorrect or poor choice by the crew. Sometimes it's all one or the other other but usually a combination. It's super scary to dig so deep into these things but does reaffirm just how rare crashes are and how several things have to go wrong most times.

Lomapaseo

Crew Error
Ignorance (never knew or trained for that etc.)
Failure to follow correct action as published/taught
Distraction (never double checked)

that's life for us all even on-the-ground

Sandeep1

Did this investigation get swept under the rug or what?

dhuey

Seems like it’s continuing apace, albeit without leaks to the press. Noteworthy how there hasn’t been any call to examine any particular parts on the 737-800 fleet, or aircraft maintenance practices.

Palal

They haven't been swept under the rug. I would expect a full report to come out about a year after the incident. Anything earlier would be good, but not expected. These things take time.

mtofell

Bingo! Yes, these things take time but during that time EVERY suspect part and practice is scrutinized and changed/modified out of an abundance of caution. If the cause were being bet on in Vegas (I know a crappy idea but let's face it, everything in the world comes down to statistics and probabilities), the money line on pilot suicide the day of the event would have been +800 and would now be running at about a -400.

For those of you non-bettors +800 means if you throw down $100 you win $800, -400 means you'd have to throw down $400 to win $100. Again, I don't mean to trivialize people's lives with gambling but at the core it's statistics and all our lives have been calculated and costs applied more than we would like to think.