You misread my statement Law Lord. I did not compare FlyerTalk's debating techniques to an unmentionable German leader.

What I said was that the concept set forth in the old adage, which has been quoted by hundreds of thousands of people (I guess that is how it got to be and old adage) http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/wink.gif and was originally attributed to an unmentionable German leader:

appears to be at work here on FlyerTalk. I said this because several people made comments about my "purported beliefs" regarding moderation, which bore little relationship to my actual beliefs on the subject. It appears that the group who have repeatedly posted their inaccurate version of my beliefs have been successful in tricking some folks into believing them.

I find this phenomenon very curious, especially when it occurs in folks who are typically very logical and rational thinkers.

OBTW, Techgirl in answer to your question, regading how I knew that the questionable moderator Talk Team statements were accurate, the answer is simple. I asked a moderator. Not all moderators were particularly pleased with the practice of indulging in back-stabbing and gossip with the Talk Team forum.



[This message has been edited by Punki (edited Feb 03, 2004).]

So are you equally displeased with all the "back-stabbing and gossip" that goes on with your onelist? http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/confused.gif

FewMiles..

I admittedly don't have the tolerance nor the time to read through all of these posts, but one question has been nagging at me and I've yet to see it asked out in the open, only alluded to.

Isn't it entirely possible that Punki is lying about her second (or first, for that matter) account being hijacked in order to deflect criticism from moremiles.org?

I mean, I'm not leveling this accusation by any means, but in order to have honest, out in the open discussions, don't we have to consider all possible explanations for this anomalous data point?

robb - I've thought the same thing for a while.

It's the most logical explanation, and would be a good way to divert attention from TOBB as being the source of the attacks. She is certainly emphatic on that point in her posts about how she was "hacked."

Frankly, it's the only thing that makes sense.

We're not quite there yet, but it's getting closer. http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/smile.gif

http://www.stardate.org/cgi-bin/moon...nightsky/moon/

Robb, JeremyZ, come on. I'm sure Punki didn't use moremiles.com passwords to illicitly read private communications in the FT mods forum and then post certain out-of-context bits just to stir up trouble, then make up a story about hackers stealing her account just to prevent fingers pointing at her not once but twice. So stop saying that!

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robb, it is the truth. It is further true that the password for the fake handle account was only hours old and existed only on FT. If you would like verification, simply call Dan at Webflyer and ask him. Actually I will ask Randy to verify it.

It is also true (although Dan cannot verify it) that someone hacked my e-mail (different password BTW)and erased the e-mail which contained the thread wherein I was discussed by the moderators. According to my service provider, several additional attempts have been made to get into my e-mail again, since my password has been changed.

Strange days.

This sounds interesting. This is what MSN said? By e-mail or by phone?

Please give us some more information on this.

As I mentioned, I worked at a large portal myself, and I would be very interested in hearing why/how a portal like MSN would inform a user that "someone is trying to hack through their passwords".

Well, Punki, I honestly do hope it's true, as I would hate to think that someone would give Randy and the membership a "bonus" slap in the face by sending Dan and John (the true heroes of the board) off on a wild goose chase. That would be such a bitter twist of the knife.

However, the question does need to be raised, as it would render moot all of the other technical questions about hackers and mysterious espionage.

I join you in looking forward to the results of the investigation.

On second thought, it's safer not to get involved. http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/smile.gif

[This message has been edited by cmdinnyc (edited Feb 03, 2004).]

I disagree. Without any evidence, one should not raise suspicion publicly concerning a particular member.

But . . . FT wasn't hacked from the outside and the only person who knew your password was you. It has nothing to do with your email account. I think we're trying to get our heads around how someone got your "unguessable" password since FT wasn't hacked.

The case is more curious because you've consistently argued that access at TOBB couldn't have been the source of the problem, and a "hack" on your account would imply that there was a legitimate "hacking" third party.

The brute force hack you've indicated is taking place on msn did not take place on FT, which is also a curious departure.

I mean, the "mystery guest" in this forum has acted in ways that benefit you. It's illogical that person would then choose to attack your email account and delete a posting chain he/she publicly posted anyway.

As long as Randy and the admins consider this scenario, I think that's all we can do to address it.

It must be a special service for Seattle residents that MSN informs you of these hacking attempts, rather than just lock out your account for a given period of time as is their normal policy, for us out of town folks.

Sadly, it has become the will of this board that discussions be made public, so questions do have to be raised here.

I agree that it would be much better, of course, if questions could be raised in private so that no member is subjected to unecessary embarrassment without some evidence, but I don't make the rules. http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/frown.gif

I also would like to reiterate that I am not accusing anyone of anything, just asking if it's being considered as a possibility, as it is one of a very few scenarios that seems to add up from mulitple angles.

Well, as I said...I would be very curious regarding this part of the story...