Book 'em, Dan-O!

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-alan in sitges, home of the new, improved Si-Re-Do

I agree with SPNlifer that the perpetrator(s) and whoever helped them should be prosecuted to the full extent of the law.

Hacking is a Federal crime, it is a bit too late to think about it now. No one knows what damage has been done yet.

ROFLMAO. Isn't that a bit like calling in the National Guard to break up a kindergarten playground spat?

Why not also recommend good civil attorneys to represent the slander victims to those discussed in the previously private forums? http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/rolleyes.gif

My wild spectulation is that this is an inside job or a conspiracy between insiders and agenda holders, IMHO, rather then hacking...

I would agree with this as well. There's more than just one individual responsible.

For you or me this might have no more signficance than a kindergarten playground spat but I very much doubt that is the case for Randy. The hacker (I still believe it is one person) did his best to damage Randy's business.

This is the cyber-equivalent of a neighborhood hoodlum throwing a brick through a plateglass show window or threatening a shop's customers. Both of these cases would be handled by the police on a routine basis.

Because of the nature of the internet, federal, not local, authorities are best able to handle such an investigation. That is the only difference.

Do I think that Randy should ask for help from the FBI? Yes, but that is his decision to make.

I would agree, except the compromise of Punki's second password indicates something vastly more serious.

I'm assuming FT moderators don't have access to our passwords, so the only people who would be able to change Punki's "fake" handle password are FT web admins, a real hacker, or Punki.

Again, there is a very clear and present link between those accounts that have been clearly comprimised and other travel related BBs (in terms of who had accounts where, and the like).

The exception to this is the current situation with Punki.

I'm reasonably certain that FT has not been "hacked." Further, I think that the efforts to assert such are designed to either deflect attention from the individual(s) responsible for the current mess and/or deflect possible future criticism from those who run some of these other travel related sites (not to be taken as my own personal criticism of those who run these other sites, mind you).

I have an open challange to the "hackers" as yet, and my account has not been comprimised. (or, I'm unaware of any posts that would indicate it has--a link in this forum would be nice if I'm wrong).

The central issue remains those who have violated the trust and/or accounts of individuals here, and used that access to post/repost private information. Spinning it any other way at this point is just that--spin.

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Don't feed the trolls.

Clue (for the first time ever) I agree with you completely. The headfakes we're seeing are just sad.

I made an assumption in the preceding post - can you answer definitively? Do regular FT mods have access to member passwords?

Thx.

No.

I feel ya, clubie. But as with the "previous incident" and many, many others have shown, the one thing that FTers seem to do more than fly is talk. When this all went down before I was never given or took access to the private forums, but I was told and shown BY SEVERAL INSIDERS everything that had been said about me, and I never once asked for same.

Looking for a culprit, I'd start by looking around the moderator table...

As for the password stuff, who knows. Maybe it was mmiles fault. To suggest that board is actually being "run," however, seems a stretch http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/wink.gif. Of course, that could be the problem...run a cross-check of mmers against FT moderators????

No.



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Don't feed the trolls.

True. It also made other acts (and even certain talk and writing) an offense or basis for prosecution. Sure there was a reason -- often a good reason at that -- but that does not mean that it should be pursued always. [See minimum sentencing guidelines/mandate controversy.]

I take credit for that mention. http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/wink.gif

My assumption is that one moderator (past or present) who happens to be OzStamps or Gaucho's personal acquaintance (in the real world) or even friend did this.

[This message has been edited by GUWonder (edited Feb 02, 2004).]

Well I just got off the phone with Dan at Webflyer and someone clearly had gotten into both my original Punki account and my fake handle and changed the e-mail address which generated a new password.

The fake handle account was used absolutely nowhere except here and I had just changed the password on that account yesterday afternoon, immediately after my original Punki account was hacked.

It is apparent to me that this weekend's activities have nothing whatever to do with any other bulletin board.

Is that your professional opinion? I'm sorry, but I have a hard time accepting your explanation given that you've admitted before that you are not a computer expert. http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/tongue.gif Though, I haven't heard the whole story, so maybe you could share the evidence which so conclusively, in your opinion, rules out MoreMiles as the possible source of the leak.

FewMiles..