The Peace Process on FlyerTalk
Jun 12, 2003 | 9:51 am
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The Peace Process on FlyerTalk
<font face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif" size="2">I'm willing to delete those members who don't want to be part of any peace process on FlyerTalk.
So, welcome back comments only, just like the topic title says.
And I'm glad to see that at least some members of FlyerTalk did actually learn something from their parents, I know I have.
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So, welcome back comments only, just like the topic title says.
And I'm glad to see that at least some members of FlyerTalk did actually learn something from their parents, I know I have.
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But, if by peace process, you mean that one party is just going to resume apace actions that, in the past, have repeatedly proven to be divisive and disruptive to flyertalk, and the other parties are to keep their mouths shut about it, then I'm not sure that has a lot of chance for success.
I'm trying to make sure that all of my characterizations are honest reflections of historical outcomes, and not personal attacks. I just think the forums have a greater chance at stability if an actual "peace process" were in place in which something meaningful were changed to satisfy both parties.
Thanks
Jun 12, 2003 | 9:57 pm
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<font face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif" size="2">Originally posted by robb:
But, if by peace process, you mean that one party is just going to resume apace actions that, in the past, have repeatedly proven to be divisive and disruptive to flyertalk, and the other parties are to keep their mouths shut about it, then I'm not sure that has a lot of chance for success.</font>
But, if by peace process, you mean that one party is just going to resume apace actions that, in the past, have repeatedly proven to be divisive and disruptive to flyertalk, and the other parties are to keep their mouths shut about it, then I'm not sure that has a lot of chance for success.</font>
This sounds so much like a kid telling someone else to get out of their playground or the bullies will do their best to try and force you out. And more and more I am seeing this sort of activity by members here.
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Jun 12, 2003 | 10:09 pm
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Robb could VERY easily have been talking about someone other than the FT'er you are thinking about.
I can think of one in particular that fit's the description.
I can think of one in particular that fit's the description.
Jun 12, 2003 | 10:53 pm
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I guess it comes down to which you prefer: a slew of silly OMNI topics that many people actually respond to...or a slew of links to news stories that few people respond to.
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Jun 13, 2003 | 12:31 am
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<font face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif" size="2">Originally posted by tazi:
Proven to be disruptive how? Because his threads don't interest you? It is fine for people to come up with a slew of the silliest topics they can think of but someone posting links to news stories is disruptive. What gives you the right to criticize the content someone else posts in OMNI?
This sounds so much like a kid telling someone else to get out of their playground or the bullies will do their best to try and force you out. And more and more I am seeing this sort of activity by members here. </font>
Proven to be disruptive how? Because his threads don't interest you? It is fine for people to come up with a slew of the silliest topics they can think of but someone posting links to news stories is disruptive. What gives you the right to criticize the content someone else posts in OMNI?
This sounds so much like a kid telling someone else to get out of their playground or the bullies will do their best to try and force you out. And more and more I am seeing this sort of activity by members here. </font>
This is robb putting out a simple question for Randy Petersen to answer.
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Jun 13, 2003 | 12:33 am
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Also, I didn't criticize the content of anyone's postings. All I said was that if someone constantly is at the center of controversy, leaving disrupution and chaos in their wake where others do not, then they need to accept their share of the "peace process," and not just expect everyone else to do all the changing.
My mother taught me about my behavior as a child that it's almost never everyone else who's wrong.
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My mother taught me about my behavior as a child that it's almost never everyone else who's wrong.
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Jun 13, 2003 | 4:31 am
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<font face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif" size="2">Originally posted by CameraGuy:
Robb could VERY easily have been talking about someone other than the FT'er you are thinking about.
I can think of one in particular that fit's the description.</font>
Robb could VERY easily have been talking about someone other than the FT'er you are thinking about.
I can think of one in particular that fit's the description.</font>
http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/Forum95/HTML/003452.html
Which you were well aware of CG since you also posted there.
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Jun 13, 2003 | 4:33 am
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<font face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif" size="2">Originally posted by robb:
Also, I didn't criticize the content of anyone's postings. All I said was that if someone constantly is at the center of controversy, leaving disrupution and chaos in their wake where others do not, then they need to accept their share of the "peace process," and not just expect everyone else to do all the changing. </font>
Also, I didn't criticize the content of anyone's postings. All I said was that if someone constantly is at the center of controversy, leaving disrupution and chaos in their wake where others do not, then they need to accept their share of the "peace process," and not just expect everyone else to do all the changing. </font>
And who causes the controversy, that person or the handful that object to his posts?
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Jun 13, 2003 | 5:40 am
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<font face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif" size="2">Originally posted by tazi:
And who causes the controversy, that person or the handful that object to his posts?
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And who causes the controversy, that person or the handful that object to his posts?
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Jun 13, 2003 | 6:09 am
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tazi,
I know full well that Randy's quote came from that thread. If you look at thread very closely, you will see that the member that comes to my mind had a hand there too.
I know full well that Randy's quote came from that thread. If you look at thread very closely, you will see that the member that comes to my mind had a hand there too.
Jun 13, 2003 | 7:54 am
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<font face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif" size="2">Originally posted by robb:
...My mother taught me about my behavior as a child that it's almost never everyone else who's wrong...
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...My mother taught me about my behavior as a child that it's almost never everyone else who's wrong...
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"Everyone" else?
Perhaps this term could be accurately defined, for our mutual benefit! Thanks!
Curiously, have you by chance tried emailing Randy & Co, and/or the offending person(s)?
Just curious! Thanks again!
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Incidentally, CameraGuy, perhaps close examination will help us to ascertain who said this, in response to others posing queries to Randy?
"Randy has explained himself MANY times in the past.
Why do you both feel that he has to explain himself at all?
FT is alive and well. It is IMO, better off today than it has ever been.
If FT is not to your liking, a simple solution would be to move on..."
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Sound at all familiar? It certainly should!
Who was that poster who so routinely clamored that "FT is not broken?" Wasn't that you?
In any case, have a great weekend all!
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Jun 13, 2003 | 8:32 am
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CameraGuy, my friend, it looks like the good old times on FT again.
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Jun 13, 2003 | 9:31 am
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<font face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif" size="2">Originally posted by CameraGuy:
tazi,
I know full well that Randy's quote came from that thread. If you look at thread very closely, you will see that the member that comes to my mind had a hand there too.
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tazi,
I know full well that Randy's quote came from that thread. If you look at thread very closely, you will see that the member that comes to my mind had a hand there too.
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Then why would you insinuate that this too was not about that person when I posted??? ------------------
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Jun 13, 2003 | 9:58 am
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I read this thread and all threads that were mentioned in this and the other thread, and as a relative newbie, I have to admit, I am completely lost. Could anyone enlighten me on the "history of Flyertalk"? Are there any good threads to revisit some "fights" from the past?
Jun 13, 2003 | 10:05 am
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As a relatively newcomer to these boards, to me there is no difference between a slew of posts about "the COE", someone making "either/or" posts, or someone posting news links. As an objective bystander with no axe to grind, it appears a little disingenuous to talk about any one poster being "divisive" when it seems to be the "regulars" of this site doing the bickering - no doubt I've offended someone with this post, then again, there are no cliques here, right?