TalkBoard (again)
Feb 14, 2002 | 10:30 am
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TalkBoard (again)
http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/Forum...ML/000028.html
What's up?
I speak only for myself, Randy, but I'd like to know what the heck (
) is going on!
FlyerTalk is my favourite site on the web. I love this site and I have learned so much.
I have edited this post because it was perhaps not as constructive as I had wished. My own choice.
Once again, PremEx posts something worth reading (imho!).
Spiff, Go! Thanks for your message.
[This message has been edited by blairvanhorn (edited 02-15-2002).]
What's up?
I speak only for myself, Randy, but I'd like to know what the heck (
) is going on!FlyerTalk is my favourite site on the web. I love this site and I have learned so much.
I have edited this post because it was perhaps not as constructive as I had wished. My own choice.
Once again, PremEx posts something worth reading (imho!).
Spiff, Go! Thanks for your message.
[This message has been edited by blairvanhorn (edited 02-15-2002).]
Feb 14, 2002 | 11:47 am
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Randy, my advise would (and has always been) to not have a TalkBoard.
FlyerTalk was and should remain YOUR personal vision, IMHO. And all in all, with it's few minor flaws, it remains something better than anyone else has come up with. And it can continue to improve and grow just fine without TalkBoard. And probably more efficiently and with less headaches!
Of course you can take advise from any of your members that sends some in to you and which you think is a good idea.
Walt Disney once said, "I don't rely on just my story people for ideas for films, or my Board of Directors for ideas on how to run the company. A good idea is a good idea no matter where it comes from. If the gardner out mowing my lawn has a good idea for a film...I'll use it!"
Committee management in the creative fields have almost always been a disaster. Success in creative fields has almost always been achieved by one strong voice, opinion and vision.
I would recommend you keep it simple. And that would be that if you like a particular idea, go ahead and impliment it. If it turns out everybody hates the idea and you feel you made a mistake, just say, "Oh well, we tried something new and it didn't work." and remove the change.
Please, I would feel much better if you would continue to make the decisions on your own. Take good advise wherever you can get it or whenever you think you need it.
And you don't need an advisory board for that!
Simpler is often better.
IMHO.
FlyerTalk was and should remain YOUR personal vision, IMHO. And all in all, with it's few minor flaws, it remains something better than anyone else has come up with. And it can continue to improve and grow just fine without TalkBoard. And probably more efficiently and with less headaches!
Of course you can take advise from any of your members that sends some in to you and which you think is a good idea.
Walt Disney once said, "I don't rely on just my story people for ideas for films, or my Board of Directors for ideas on how to run the company. A good idea is a good idea no matter where it comes from. If the gardner out mowing my lawn has a good idea for a film...I'll use it!"
Committee management in the creative fields have almost always been a disaster. Success in creative fields has almost always been achieved by one strong voice, opinion and vision.
I would recommend you keep it simple. And that would be that if you like a particular idea, go ahead and impliment it. If it turns out everybody hates the idea and you feel you made a mistake, just say, "Oh well, we tried something new and it didn't work." and remove the change.
Please, I would feel much better if you would continue to make the decisions on your own. Take good advise wherever you can get it or whenever you think you need it.
And you don't need an advisory board for that!
Simpler is often better.
IMHO.
Feb 14, 2002 | 3:49 pm
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Give us a chance, there's 33% new blood and I believe a willingness to move forward and cooperate.
Feb 14, 2002 | 7:14 pm
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Not that you need -- nor welcome -- my input, Randy, PremEx hits the nail on the head again...
Feb 14, 2002 | 8:36 pm
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Not to dwell on a particular issue but we feel that GLBT forum issue remains in limbo yet again due to latest change in the TalkBoard 
I'm not sure which way I feel about having a TalkBoard vs Randy directing the board by himself, but I hope we get this issue resolved soon. I've gotten many e-mails regarding how unhappy they are that this issue has taken so long to resolve.
I'm not sure which way I feel about having a TalkBoard vs Randy directing the board by himself, but I hope we get this issue resolved soon. I've gotten many e-mails regarding how unhappy they are that this issue has taken so long to resolve.
Feb 14, 2002 | 11:04 pm
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I wholeheartedly agree with the sentiments of PremEx's post. The extreme flexibility given to the board continues to be counterproductive, and Randy's direct leadership would be much more beneficial to the community.
However, I also understand that Randy has only so much time to contribute singular vision to projects, and he should and must choose the projects that put food on his family's table, and not on FlyerTalk.
I again ask that Randy hold on here until replacement leadership is stable and functioning. Like a builder's representation on a condo board, there's no reason why he can't establish all the rules and pass a fully functioning board onto the membership in 6 months rather than have them start it all.
However, I also understand that Randy has only so much time to contribute singular vision to projects, and he should and must choose the projects that put food on his family's table, and not on FlyerTalk.
I again ask that Randy hold on here until replacement leadership is stable and functioning. Like a builder's representation on a condo board, there's no reason why he can't establish all the rules and pass a fully functioning board onto the membership in 6 months rather than have them start it all.
Feb 15, 2002 | 7:43 am
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Leadership IS stabilizing and we will move forward on these and other issues. I am very new to the TB but I think things are ready to move forward.
Feb 15, 2002 | 11:46 am
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Would it be ok to say that TB experienced Growing pains.
I think that now that the original appointed members have moved on, we can move forward as Spiff stated above.
Dan
I think that now that the original appointed members have moved on, we can move forward as Spiff stated above.
Dan
Feb 15, 2002 | 1:12 pm
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Dan,
What is that supposed to mean? I would love for you to elaborate...
Dorian
What is that supposed to mean? I would love for you to elaborate...
Dorian
Feb 15, 2002 | 8:45 pm
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As for democracy, I thought that I would make something very clear......
Although Spiff, Wharvey and I were appointed, we were appointed because we had the next highest three votes counts in the ELECTION, therefore we were democratically elected by YOU, the FT community.
Although Spiff, Wharvey and I were appointed, we were appointed because we had the next highest three votes counts in the ELECTION, therefore we were democratically elected by YOU, the FT community.
Feb 16, 2002 | 3:28 am
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<font face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif" size="2">Originally posted by PremEx:
Randy, my advise would (and has always been) to not have a TalkBoard.
FlyerTalk was and should remain YOUR personal vision, IMHO. And all in all, with it's few minor flaws, it remains something better than anyone else has come up with. And it can continue to improve and grow just fine without TalkBoard. And probably more efficiently and with less headaches!
Of course you can take advise from any of your members that sends some in to you and which you think is a good idea.
Walt Disney once said, "I don't rely on just my story people for ideas for films, or my Board of Directors for ideas on how to run the company. A good idea is a good idea no matter where it comes from. If the gardner out mowing my lawn has a good idea for a film...I'll use it!"
Committee management in the creative fields have almost always been a disaster. Success in creative fields has almost always been achieved by one strong voice, opinion and vision.
I would recommend you keep it simple. And that would be that if you like a particular idea, go ahead and impliment it. If it turns out everybody hates the idea and you feel you made a mistake, just say, "Oh well, we tried something new and it didn't work." and remove the change.
Please, I would feel much better if you would continue to make the decisions on your own. Take good advise wherever you can get it or whenever you think you need it.
And you don't need an advisory board for that!
Simpler is often better.
IMHO.</font>
Randy, my advise would (and has always been) to not have a TalkBoard.
FlyerTalk was and should remain YOUR personal vision, IMHO. And all in all, with it's few minor flaws, it remains something better than anyone else has come up with. And it can continue to improve and grow just fine without TalkBoard. And probably more efficiently and with less headaches!
Of course you can take advise from any of your members that sends some in to you and which you think is a good idea.
Walt Disney once said, "I don't rely on just my story people for ideas for films, or my Board of Directors for ideas on how to run the company. A good idea is a good idea no matter where it comes from. If the gardner out mowing my lawn has a good idea for a film...I'll use it!"
Committee management in the creative fields have almost always been a disaster. Success in creative fields has almost always been achieved by one strong voice, opinion and vision.
I would recommend you keep it simple. And that would be that if you like a particular idea, go ahead and impliment it. If it turns out everybody hates the idea and you feel you made a mistake, just say, "Oh well, we tried something new and it didn't work." and remove the change.
Please, I would feel much better if you would continue to make the decisions on your own. Take good advise wherever you can get it or whenever you think you need it.
And you don't need an advisory board for that!
Simpler is often better.
IMHO.</font>
The point about keeping it simple is such a welcome change - let's try to do just that.
[This message has been edited by Canista (edited 02-16-2002).]
Feb 17, 2002 | 6:46 pm
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I also agree with PremEx
Feb 17, 2002 | 9:14 pm
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I don't.
Dorian
Dorian
Feb 17, 2002 | 9:27 pm
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Dorian,
Sorry to disappoint you, but there are no hidden messages in what I said. Please don't drag me into something.
As for PremEx's statement...Randy set up Talk Board with the best of intentions. Ok. So I'll grant you it's taken some time to get started. Rome wasn't built in a day.
One day, in the next 6 months, or 2 years hence, we'll all be glad there is a Talk Board to advise Randy.
Many flyertalkers have been impatient. Well, that's life. But if you're patient you'll eventually be rewarded.
Dan
Sorry to disappoint you, but there are no hidden messages in what I said. Please don't drag me into something.
As for PremEx's statement...Randy set up Talk Board with the best of intentions. Ok. So I'll grant you it's taken some time to get started. Rome wasn't built in a day.
One day, in the next 6 months, or 2 years hence, we'll all be glad there is a Talk Board to advise Randy.
Many flyertalkers have been impatient. Well, that's life. But if you're patient you'll eventually be rewarded.
Dan