No provocation. I guess you must be dead, or brain-damaged. You decide.

And it is mighty big of you to have stayed out of the "Circumcision" thread, for I certainly could have used such invaluable assistance and insight that you would have most definitely have brought to the table had you been so offended by the statements made therein --- NOT.

No, it appears to have been only my defense of my religion and the manner that I have chosen that has gotten you all so riled up.
But not, obviously, an attack on my beliefs that insuinate that my religion is full of a bunch of pedarasts.

Well, you should all be ashamed of yourselves for your silence.

Yes, I stand corrected, it has been "only" 2 months since I had asked you to investigate Stimpy. However, with your permission, I would like to release your e-mails to me where you stated that you would like a bit more time to investigate the matter -- a 1 week extension.

I am glad to hear that you are still investigating my complaint, but I would like to know why does not the pedophilia statement concerning my religion and its traditions not merit an immediate shutdown and censure?

Why is it that you only seem to have acted with any alacrity when anti-Gay sentiments were aired on FT?

As I have said before, I support your position in that matter, I just wonder why you have yet to act, on at least this disgraceful attack on the Jewish (and Muslim) religions?

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D2B,
I was hoping to write to you off line, that does not appear to be an option.

You are correct that you often ask me for restraint in discussions about the Middle East. You also know that I am an IAF veteran. It is insulting that someone who seems to have served our people by getting writers cramp should tell those of us who fought in wars we should be ashamed of ourselves for the way we defend our people.

BooBooKitty proved what she was early on in her posts. There was no purpose in responding. Some people truly are beneath contempt.

I suggest you take a time out. Reread some of your recent posts. Please follow Randy's advice: you are sullying your good name with these vehement postings.

I too have fallen to that urge, but I'm trying to do better. Please join me.

As Doc has done, I invite you to contact me offline.

Thumper

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Doc 2 be,

I really wish you had an email address posted.

Could you please post one?

Thanks,

Dorian

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Dear Thumper --

No insult was intended, but in any event, I am truly sorry and sincerely apologize for that impression.


Now, that it seems that Randy is finally paying some attention to this matter, as my private e-mails to him went unanwered as to the status of the investigation of Stimpy, I suggest something novel.

You see, it was not I who had asked Randy to review all of Stimpy's (or for that matter, my) posts; rather, I just brought to his attention those that I felt crossed the bounds of civil discourse.

So in the interests of time, I formally ask Randy to temporarily suspend his investigation of Stimpy, so that he may concentrate on Boo Boo Kitty's posts. (Yes, I said it.)

First, although Stimpy's post are horrendous, hers/his go even beyond that, and therefore, I formally bring charges against her/him.

Moreover, inasmuch as he/she has only a small number of posts, no laborious and time-consuming investigation will result, as it apparently does with my complaint against Stimpy.

I take note that AVGAZ who was banned for his anti-Gay comments about a FT member also had few posts, and that, in addition, Randy was at the very least close down Muminah's threads, because she too, had a small number of posts. Further, that thread was shut down quite rapidly, so I forsee no difficulty with a prompt and speedy resolutiion of my request for an investigation of the one I named above.

I would ask for one of R&R, but at 200 posts, I fear that would only delay my request.

And I again request Randy that he permit me to send or post our corresspondences to one another in relation to Stimpy, as he states that he has nothing to hide.

I wished it had not come to this, but apparently, the permissive attitude around here has allowed people to take the view that it is "open season" on Jews within these pages, and I will endeavor to dissuade them of that fact by like means.

Finally, I thought that my christening her/him with that name was quite humorous as since she evidently is against circumcision, she must accept the potential consequences of her decision.

It is a pity that some of you only thought to criticize me for that name, but have been, and still are, silent as to his/her truly offensive analogy of one of my religion's holiest rites.

Well, it is truly enlightening as to what priorities some of you have around here really do hold.

blah, blah, blah...

Here we go again.


How hard is it to ignore the posts and ignore the poster when it become obvious you disagree?

I guess you can't follow your own advice.

Post an email address!

Hey Dorian,

Why would you want to talk to this guy direct?

While we're discussing offensive comments Vic, I stumbled across this gem of yours...

[QUOTE]Originally posted by VicOsaki:
When we were running around naked in the junior high gym showers virtually all the boys were circumcised. There were probably too many Jewish doctors back then.

I notice you have chosen not to edit nor retract it.

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[quote]<font face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif" size="2">Originally posted by Thumper:
While we're discussing offensive comments Vic, I stumbled across this gem of yours...

Quote:

Originally posted by VicOsaki:
When we were running around naked in the junior high gym showers virtually all the boys were circumcised. There were probably too many Jewish doctors back then.

I notice you have chosen not to edit nor retract it.

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Dear Thumper --

Don't hold your breath. I have now learned that one can say anything they want on this board about a religion, ethnic group, race, etc. and provide the most offensive stereotypes imaginable, but the powers that be, and evidently many of the FT membership do not care, so long as you do not lauch a "personal attack" at the perpetrator for their offensive statements.

I had not realized this until the following post by Rudi:

You see, no where does he state that offensive characterizations of a people, religion, ethnic group, etc. are "verboten," only "personal attacks." One can concentrate on the "issues at stake" even if they offensively characterize a religion's traditions, or they convey thoughts that are racist, etc.

Well, that is certainly emblematic of the Swiss, and their double dealing. After all, they traded with the Nazis right up through the end of WWII knowing that the British and the rest of Europe were virtually bankrupt from the war and would be looking for reconstruction money, so that their double dealing would go unpunished.

Moreover, most would now concede, although not the Swiss, that the money they provided for the reconstruction was from the Swiss Bank accounts they encouraged their Jewish clientele to open, but that they would not return to their benefactors or their descendants.

Notice, Rudi, that this statement is NOT a personal attack as those are verboten, merely an observation of mine that has as much right to be voiced on these pages as VICOSAKI'S "JEWISH DOCTORS" trash, Stimpy's "nefarious controlling cabal of US and worldwide Jewish/Zionist opinion makers, media magnates and lobbyists," and my favorite, BOOBOOKITTY's "well-reasoned" judgment that the Jewish circumscision rite is a masquerade for what it apparently really is, much to my wonderment, for it is nothing more than a pedophile's delight.


I understand now. "Personal Attacks" -- NO -- Bigoted and Racist Rhetoric -- Fine.


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I'm sorry guys, I completely overlooked and forgot about Muminah's post that Hitler was right to have slaughtered 6 million Jews!


Well, at least it was not a "personal attack."

Medical student and a lawyer.... (??)

Geez, I hope they do some psychological screening before they allow graduates to practice medicine.

Congratulations, it has only taken you 4 entire days to come up with that pearl.


http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/Forum97/HTML/000598.html

Your wishes are reminsicent of what they used to do to Soviet Jewish "refusenicks" who complained of the anti-Semitism that they had encountered and for which they sought change. I do not expect you to comprehend this, however, for you are obviously much too narrow-minded and you obviously think it more important to attempt to silence me than you do for the offenisve comments that have been posted on this board about Jews. As you have not said one word about those who posted those comments that I have highlighted, but instead focus your attention upon me, you betray the type of person that you really are and the sentiments that you clearly hold. I am glad that you have exposed yourself for what you really are.

However, I do have a suggestion that I only can hope that you will follow, and it was not even I who had first suggested it.

The statement was dead on when it was first posted, and it is even more true today.

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I second that idea.



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Could you kindly elaborate? What kind of person do you think I am? What sentiments do I harbour? I guess my memory fails me, but it seems like you must know me for a long time.... where did we meet? Please be so kind as to help me remember.

Your ideas (whatever they are [?!]) seem to blind you from the fact that I (like others) wish to quiet you down (and not you alone, but also the 'others') because this board is about travel and miles. You, and others that insist on taking topics to issues of religion have no place here. So, to agree with you on one issue, I do speak out against those 'others' as well.