Randy,

Please read the following thread in this forun:

OK, its a start to close OMNI threads with intolerant statements, but why stop there?

Doc 2 Be went off on a rant because he cannot handle the fact that some of us were questioning some of the practices of his religion. Specifically, the topic of circumcision is being debated over on Omni. You can read my comments: I feel it is barbaric and sick. Just like I think any form of mutilation is.

But since Doc 2 Be didn't like my comments, he had to blow his top and start calling me a "Smegma Lover."

Please expel him from FT. We don't need that here.

Can't stand the heat, so get out of the kitchen. If anyone is wondering as to the genesis of this pathetic attempt by SMEGMA LOVER to have me expelled, kindly read the following comments of hers/his. To state that they find the Jewish circumcision ritual barbaric and sick is an understatement, as you shall see:


And this was my response:

I then followed that post with the following post to SMEGMA LOVER:


I invite Randy to investigate this and all the other anti-Semitic diatribes that he has let stand for the past months.


Be my guest. However, should I be disciplined for not turning a blind eye or cheek to these comments in light of his continued silence as he has done nothing to stop this anti-Semitic pablum from gracing his forum despite my repeated urging to him to take some action, I wonder why he felt it so imperative for him to censor, remove and punish perpetrators of anti-Gay rhetoric?

Should I no longer be allowed to post, I can assure you that there will be inquiries into why I was punished for defending my faith while others have been free of such action.

I think the WSJ and the NY TIMES, as well as numerous hospitatity and travel companies would like to know why he has permitted this filth for so long.

I sure would like to know the reason.

D2B



[This message has been edited by DOC 2 BE (edited 11-28-2001).]

Grow up.

Randy shouldn't need to moderate these boards, and he certainly shouldn't be called upon to play teacher and sort out disputes that are, frankly, juvenile. We're all adults here, and are responsible for our own behaviour.

If, in daily life, you were to come across someone who expressed views that you disagreed with, you'd have two practical choices. You could:

1) argue/debate with that person
2) walk away

There is no "run to Randy" option. I suggest you exercise the same behaviour here.

Please take your name-calling elsewhere.

Hi Mathew,

100% my opinion. Is this a Kindergarten?

To add something: O.K., those topics in OMNI are interesting, but should circumcission be a topic for flyertalk? The same is true for those topics on islam.

MatthewClement:


I seem to recall that you had a choice comment about my religion that you, at least, had good sense to edit. However, your intial decision to post such an attack shows that you were, at the very least, ill-informed, so I would expect you to be insensitive to such things, and your latest post demonstrates that.

Perhaps we should start a thread labelled "Perfidious Albion" and have everyone list the reasons why the British are the cause of all the world's ills as a result of their imperialistic traditions and colonialism for the last 200 years.

And, we can start with the land grabs against the Kingdom in Bulawayo which is the reason for the trouble in Zimbabwe, today.

Didn't Jesus say something about he who is without sin, let them cast the first stone?

I really should know better than to get involved in a discussion like this...but...

Frankly, DOC 2 BE, I don't care whether you're Christian, Jewish, Muslim, Hindu. I don't care whether your black, white, yellow, red, or green. What I do care about is that you're acting like a jerk, and are dragging down FT with you. And to imply that Randy is at fault, and threaten:

demonstrates such a sense of self-entitlement that it bowls me over. Do not forget that you are here as Randy's guest. Behave appropriately.

You've drastically overstepped the lines of polite behaviour. You're behaving like a spoiled child, slinging mud, calling names, and tattling to the teacher.

I've chosen not to state a view either way about the issues being discussed in the other thread. I also choose to overlook the comments you've made about the UK.

But you've illustrated my point. Without provocation, you've started hurling insults and calling names.

This isn't what adults do. At least not civilised ones. So I'll repeat what I said. Grow up.


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Im really sorry about what's going on here. This is not worth of FT, the definetly best board on traveling on the web.

Doc2Be: please stay out of this community if you're not willing to refrain from such posts as above. This is true for others, too, it seems - but I'm glad not to know their names.

Just another $0.02 for Randy to think on. Here's what I'd like to see for all involved in the mudslinging:

http://www.parentclicks.com/timeout.html

Thousands of child psychologists can't be wrong!

New day.

Old "stuff."

At what point can we all officially declare that the war is finally over? If not a real peace, then how about a simple "Korea style" truce of some kind?

Perhaps all the combatants can simply walk away, even if they decide not to shake hands - before anyone is disciplined, no?

It would seem to be apparent to all that a more factual, disspassionate discussion/argument is the way to go here, as everywhere, with personal barrages against individuals doing nothing but further alienating each of us and doing nothing to advance the views of either!

Moreover, Randy has already spoke on the issue:

"...These topics often stir up debates that can and have lead to minor religious wars here on FlyerTalk. I don't believe that FlyerTalk will or should ever try and become a place for all things topical. It is our wish that all the efforts of our members are focused on the topic of miles, points, travel and food. None of you will be converted no matter how long this thread and others like it rage on FlyerTalk. That's not our purpose and I believe there are many other Web sites who can serve that purpose in a matter far better for members who wish to discuss the impact and meaning of world religion..."

http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/Forum.../003412-2.html

Please email me D2B!

Would everyone kindly look inside themselves and use their ability to think, and then perhaps edit their offensive post(s) so as to keep within the FT TOS and even more importantly to retain a sense of civility and respect for ALL humankind!

Doc2b,

If you have any further comments for me, please send them to my new email address:

[email protected]

No no no, with the kids as out of control as they are, don't you think a spanking is in order?

BooBooKitty, fanning the flames doesn't do anyone any good. My "grow up" comments weren't directed at DOC 2 BE alone.


[This message has been edited by MatthewClement (edited 11-29-2001).]

Originally posted by BooBooKitty:
Dear Doc 2 Be,
I'm sorry if you took offense to someone calling circumcision NONSENSE, but frankly, IT IS!

C'mon! The foreskin of a newborn boy is an offering to your so-called "god" ??? How freakin KOOKY is that!? It's barbaric, bizarre, and some kinky form of pedophilia.

Have fun in Hoboken, boy.


BooBooKitty,

I am not defending D2B, it is not my place. I am writing to ask you a question in the spirit of your post here for Randy to read.

Don't you think an expression like "your so called G-d" is inflammatory and over the line. It would appear to be way over the line in regard to FT policy.

Could you please consider editing or removing this remark. It would lend great credibilty to your post here.

thank you,

Thumper

Oh, so the pedophilia accusation sits well with you?

Sorry, Thumper. I usually ask you to exercise some self-restraint when it comes to the Middle East, but this is an entirely different kettle of fish.

I had asked IT to read the T&C, I was evidently w/o much success, for calling a rite that has been practiced for millenia should not be labelled with such hateful rhetoric.

I disagree with you on this one, as many do with me, and that is fine. But I will no longer sit idly by while such calumnies and inflammatory statements are made here.

If you don't like the names I think are appropriate for you, then don't give me cause by insulting my religion or my co-religionists.

It is that simple.

By the way, where were many of your voices with disdain when these statements were first made?

Many of you had failed to raise a note of concern until only after my christening of those malcontents and offenders?

Extremely interesting.


And Matthew, it seems that you are already a tad defensive about a UK thread that I have not started nor have any intention of doing so. But, it is apparent to me of your defensive posture, so just consider that the shoe might be on the other foot.

Should we start with the British in India, then? After all, the East India Company's land grab started well before the Empire's interest in Africa.

What did Victoria say about India? Oh yes, it was the "Jewel in her Crown."

Maybe we should all start to remeber that Charity begins at home, and be well to remember Ionnesco's play "Rhinoceros."

Well, where to start. First of all maybe I should have slept in this morning? Maybe it was a great day to call in and say I was going to take the morning off to get a start on some holiday shopping. Or maybe it was a day when I would have loved to give the TalkBoard some much needed attention. Well, truth be told - none of that will happen, so let's get in on this.

There's two different things going on here and I sense they are being put into one basket. Yes, I was asked by DOC 2 BE to look into an individual's posting habits. That individual has 2,578 posts and DOC 2 BE has 1,935. Individual investigations take a long time because of the sheer number of posts to look at and also these types of things will not be done in public (my decision and I'm sticking to it). This request came in after the events of 9/11. It is ongoing and I dispute any assertion that I am refraining from any decision on the individual's involved. Enough said.

As for closing the posts noted above, it was easier to do because the complaints about the posts came from many individuals and none of the comlaints named any individuals, only that the topic was getting out of hand. It is much easier to read a few posts on a single thread and decide the appropriateness of the topic than it is to try and interpret an individual's intent. And for the record, closing these threads was neither a start nor a stop, but you'll not find the truth in the public. From the start I have resisted making a public mockery out of every single incident involving members. I suspect that those of you who have received my support in private and even those of you who have received my guidance in private prefer that things involving individual's actions on FlyerTalk remain a subject between the administrators of FlyerTalk and them.

As for this thread, I'm not afraid of taking any heat from any individual and will not hide from crticism. So, post what you will but remember two things: you are what you post and must be responsible for it and it's really, really easy to embarass yourself on FlyerTalk.

Anyway, it's time for me to get back to work on a few things regarding this board.