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Old Nov 19, 2008 | 2:45 pm
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If on a RTW you transit on a continent does it count as a visit?

If I want to fly to the US from South Africa and I of course have to go via Europe, if I merely transit in London for a few hours does that count as actually visiting Europe?

I would then fly around the US, down to AUS and then home.
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Old Nov 19, 2008 | 3:03 pm
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Yes!

If you "touch" a continent, even on a transit, it counts ...
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Old Nov 19, 2008 | 3:07 pm
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Originally Posted by serfty
Yes!

If you "touch" a continent, even on a transit, it counts ...



Throws a real wrench in the system here.
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Old Nov 19, 2008 | 3:15 pm
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If you pass through Europe, it counts

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Old Nov 19, 2008 | 3:27 pm
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There is an exception for Africa to some airports (NBO, DAR etc.) whereby if you transit to/from those airports in Europe and do not break your journey it does not count as a "stopover". My RTW itinerary was CPT-JNB-(separate ticket to NBO), NBO-xLHR-MIA-DFW-NRT-DPS-HKG-BOM-DXB-LHR-CPT (separate ticket to from LHR - MIA) and it's been allowed and okayed by AA and experts on FT.

Last edited by nickvora; Nov 19, 2008 at 3:37 pm Reason: edited to add that the second Europe-US was on a separate ticket, and journey was completed to CPT
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Old Nov 19, 2008 | 3:28 pm
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With its present route architecture, it's not possible to do a OW RTW without transiting Europe.
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Old Nov 19, 2008 | 3:30 pm
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I need to get to AUS and I live in SA and I want to go to the US for a 2 week holiday as well.

I live in Johannesburg and have to be in Melbourne for a few months.

Is there any way I can fly Jnb-Europe-US-AUS-SA and do a triangular ticket or a RTW 3 continent one? I want to reduce the cost as much as possible.
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Old Nov 19, 2008 | 3:32 pm
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Originally Posted by Gardyloo
With its present route architecture, it's not possible to do a OW RTW without transiting Europe.


But as Nickvora said can I not go through it without it counting as he said with some african cities it doesn't count.
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Old Nov 19, 2008 | 3:49 pm
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As per the oneworld rules sheets:

Only one intercontinental departure and one intercontinental arrival permitted in each continent except
as follows:
1. Two permitted in North America when one is a transfer without stopover.
2. Two permitted in Asia when one is a transfer without stopover or on direct single plane service
between the Southwest Pacific and Europe.
3. For travel to/from or via Ghana, Nigeria, Kenya, Uganda and Tanzania two permitted in Europe
when one is a transfer without stopover between Ghana/Nigeria/Kenya/Uganda/Tanzania and
another continent

There is NO WAY to buy a 3 continent ticket from Africa. On the positive side, compared to the prices you pay a 4 continent is about the same as what we pay for a 3 continent (at least when purchasing in FX).

your itinerary that would be SA-Africa-EUR-US-AUS-SA would be at least 4 continents, I'm concerned it might actually be 5 continents (if they count ASIA because of the "flyover").

Your best bet is to contact, if you're in Capetown, the AA GSA in Cape Town - Mindpearl (Cindy) she's awesome. I urge you to check out www.oneworld.com where they have an itinerary planner that can truly help.

Mileage Monkey is also a fantastic tool.

Good luck.
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Old Nov 19, 2008 | 4:00 pm
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Originally Posted by 747-444
But as Nickvora said can I not go through it without it counting as he said with some african cities it doesn't count.
Sorry, you've misinterpreted that rule.

The rule cited allows a second entry into Europe (to/from certain cities in Africa) provided it's followed immediately (or is preceded immediately) by travel to/from another continent. It does not "exempt" Europe from being counted, just as a flight from LHR to SYD counts Asia even though it's only a fuel stop. If the wheels touch, the continent counts.

The same "two entry" rule applies to second entries into Asia in conjunction with SWP < > Europe and to transits of North America to/from South America to/from a third continent, e.g. Asia. In no case is the touched continent excluded from the continent count.

Previously some people also evidently got away with JL's GRU-xJFK-NRT not resulting in the counting of N. America. This has now been corrected.
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Old Nov 20, 2008 | 12:12 am
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Thank you.

I have in the past flown on a DONE4.

JNB-LHR-JFK-BOS-ORD-SFO-LAX-SYD-JNB.
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Old Nov 20, 2008 | 2:30 am
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Originally Posted by 747-444
I have in the past flown on a DONE4.

JNB-LHR-JFK-BOS-ORD-SFO-LAX-SYD-JNB.
Are you expecting applause at this point or something?
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Old Nov 20, 2008 | 3:49 am
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Originally Posted by 747-444
Thank you.

I have in the past flown on a DONE4.

JNB-LHR-JFK-BOS-ORD-SFO-LAX-SYD-JNB.
I don't see your point there. That is 4 continents
Africa
Europe
North America
South West Pacific

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Old Nov 20, 2008 | 3:58 am
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Originally Posted by 747-444
Thank you.

I have in the past flown on a DONE4.

JNB-LHR-JFK-BOS-ORD-SFO-LAX-SYD-JNB.
Doesn't this answer your original question?
You can't manage an RTW from Africa with a 3 continent fare, as had been mentioned - 4 continents needed.
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Old Nov 21, 2008 | 3:45 am
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Originally Posted by 747-444
Is there any way I can fly Jnb-Europe-US-AUS-SA and do a triangular ticket or a RTW 3 continent one? I want to reduce the cost as much as possible.
Yes, this routing is possible and exactly what those tickets were designed for. But it is a 4 continent fare, not a xONE3.

If you want to save money it might make sense to puzzle together some cheap one way fares on various carriers. Cheaper than a RTW sometimes.
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