Aug 1, 2016, 1:42 pm
Last edit by: Kiwi Flyer
Intercontinental and Transcontinental
Watch out for codeshares and some routes have multiple aircraft types operating (with and without first class).
Names used for First Class
First Class - AA, BA, CX, JL, KA, QF, QR
Some airlines (e.g. BA, QF) also simply brand it as First
Business Suites - MH
American Airlines
Aircraft type
All mainline aircraft type, but 10 Hawaii 757 & MD-80 first class are of poor standard.
Only 20 777-300ER and 17 A321T aircraft with 3 class First are listed below.
(All 777-200ER / 772 have been refitted and have no F cabin.)
Routes
Between Chicago O'Hare and
NONE
Between Dallas Fort Worth and
Hong Kong
London Heathrow (2 of 3 flights)
Between Los Angeles and
Hong Kong (1 flight)
London Heathrow (1 flight)
Between Miami and
Buenos Aires (1 flight)
London Heathrow (1 flight)
Between New York JFK and
London Heathrow (1 flight)
Los Angeles (all flights)
San Francisco (all flights)
Sao Paulo
British Airways
Aircraft type
747, 777 (some), 789 and A380.
Routes
Between London Heathrow and
Abu Dhabi
Abuja
Atlanta
Austin
Bahrain
Bangalore
Beijing
Boston
Cairo
Cape Town
Chicago
Dallas
Delhi (some flights)
Denver
Doha
Dubai
Hong Kong
Houston
Johannesburg
Kuala Lumpur
Kuwait
Lagos
Los Angeles
Luanda
Mexico City
Miami
Moscow DME
Mumbai
Muscat
New York JFK
Newark (some flights)
Philadelphia (some flights)
Phoenix
Santiago SCL
San Diego
San Francisco
San Jose SJC
Sao Paulo
Seattle
Shanghai
Singapore
Sydney
Tel Aviv (some flights)
Tokyo HND
Tokyo NRT
Toronto (some flights)
Vancouver
Washington IAD (some flights)
Between London Gatwick and
Bermuda
Bridgetown
Grenada
Port of Spain
St Lucia
San Jose SJO
Between St Lucia and
Grenada
Port of Spain
Between Singapore and
Sydney
Cathay Pacific
Aircraft type
777-300ER (33 frames out of 53)
Routes
Between Hong Kong and
Boston
Chicago
Frankfurt
Jakarta (some flights May to October 2018)
London Heathrow (some flights)
Los Angeles (some flights)
Milan
New York JFK
Paris CDG (some flights)
San Francisco (some flights)
Tokyo HND (some flights)
Vancouver (some flights)
Zurich
Between Vancouver and
New York JFK
Dragonair
Aircraft type
A330 (some flights only)
Routes
Between Hong Kong and
Beijing
Kaohsiung
Shanghai
Taipei
Japan Airlines
Aircraft type
domestic 772 (W15/W16) 14 seats (2-2-2)
domestic 763 (A25) 5 seats (2-1-2)
international 773 (W84) 8 seats (1-2-1)
Routes
Between Tokyo Haneda and
Chitose
Fukuoka
Okinawa
Osaka ITM
London Heathrow
New York JFK
Paris CDG
San Francisco
Between Tokyo Narita and
Chicago
Los Angeles
New York JFK
LATAM
None
Malaysia Airlines
Aircraft type
A380
Routes
Between Kuala Lumpur and
London Heathrow
Qantas
Aircraft type
A380 (but some flights sold without F e.g. occasional SYD-HKG)
Routes
Between Sydney and
Dallas
Hong Kong (some flights)
London Heathrow (via Singapore)
Los Angeles
Between Melbourne and
Los Angeles (QF93/94 only)
Singapore
Between Singapore and
London Heathrow
Qatar
Aircraft type
A330 (only one), A380
Routes
Between Doha and
Bangkok (seasonal, some flights)
London LHR (some flights)
Guangzhou
Melbourne (seasonal - Northern Winter)
Paris CDG (1 flight/day)
Sydney (seasonal - Northern Winter)
some intra-Middle East routes have 2-class F (J seat, J food and J wine sold as F)
Last updated: 14APR2018
Updated to post: 235
Updated AA flights 24APR2018
Watch out for codeshares and some routes have multiple aircraft types operating (with and without first class).
Names used for First Class
First Class - AA, BA, CX, JL, KA, QF, QR
Some airlines (e.g. BA, QF) also simply brand it as First
Business Suites - MH
American Airlines
Aircraft type
All mainline aircraft type, but 10 Hawaii 757 & MD-80 first class are of poor standard.
Only 20 777-300ER and 17 A321T aircraft with 3 class First are listed below.
(All 777-200ER / 772 have been refitted and have no F cabin.)
Routes
Between Chicago O'Hare and
NONE
Between Dallas Fort Worth and
Hong Kong
London Heathrow (2 of 3 flights)
Between Los Angeles and
Hong Kong (1 flight)
London Heathrow (1 flight)
Between Miami and
Buenos Aires (1 flight)
London Heathrow (1 flight)
Between New York JFK and
London Heathrow (1 flight)
Los Angeles (all flights)
San Francisco (all flights)
Sao Paulo
British Airways
Aircraft type
747, 777 (some), 789 and A380.
Routes
Between London Heathrow and
Abu Dhabi
Abuja
Atlanta
Austin
Bahrain
Bangalore
Beijing
Boston
Cairo
Cape Town
Chicago
Dallas
Delhi (some flights)
Denver
Doha
Dubai
Hong Kong
Houston
Johannesburg
Kuala Lumpur
Kuwait
Lagos
Los Angeles
Luanda
Mexico City
Miami
Moscow DME
Mumbai
Muscat
New York JFK
Newark (some flights)
Philadelphia (some flights)
Phoenix
Santiago SCL
San Diego
San Francisco
San Jose SJC
Sao Paulo
Seattle
Shanghai
Singapore
Sydney
Tel Aviv (some flights)
Tokyo HND
Tokyo NRT
Toronto (some flights)
Vancouver
Washington IAD (some flights)
Between London Gatwick and
Bermuda
Bridgetown
Grenada
Port of Spain
St Lucia
San Jose SJO
Between St Lucia and
Grenada
Port of Spain
Between Singapore and
Sydney
Cathay Pacific
Aircraft type
777-300ER (33 frames out of 53)
Routes
Between Hong Kong and
Boston
Chicago
Frankfurt
Jakarta (some flights May to October 2018)
London Heathrow (some flights)
Los Angeles (some flights)
Milan
New York JFK
Paris CDG (some flights)
San Francisco (some flights)
Tokyo HND (some flights)
Vancouver (some flights)
Zurich
Between Vancouver and
New York JFK
Dragonair
Aircraft type
A330 (some flights only)
Routes
Between Hong Kong and
Beijing
Kaohsiung
Shanghai
Taipei
Japan Airlines
Aircraft type
domestic 772 (W15/W16) 14 seats (2-2-2)
domestic 763 (A25) 5 seats (2-1-2)
international 773 (W84) 8 seats (1-2-1)
Routes
Between Tokyo Haneda and
Chitose
Fukuoka
Okinawa
Osaka ITM
London Heathrow
New York JFK
Paris CDG
San Francisco
Between Tokyo Narita and
Chicago
Los Angeles
New York JFK
LATAM
None
Malaysia Airlines
Aircraft type
A380
Routes
Between Kuala Lumpur and
London Heathrow
Qantas
Aircraft type
A380 (but some flights sold without F e.g. occasional SYD-HKG)
Routes
Between Sydney and
Dallas
Hong Kong (some flights)
London Heathrow (via Singapore)
Los Angeles
Between Melbourne and
Los Angeles (QF93/94 only)
Singapore
Between Singapore and
London Heathrow
Qatar
Aircraft type
A330 (only one), A380
Routes
Between Doha and
Bangkok (seasonal, some flights)
London LHR (some flights)
Guangzhou
Melbourne (seasonal - Northern Winter)
Paris CDG (1 flight/day)
Sydney (seasonal - Northern Winter)
some intra-Middle East routes have 2-class F (J seat, J food and J wine sold as F)
Last updated: 14APR2018
Updated to post: 235
Updated AA flights 24APR2018
OW first class routes thread
Dec 7, 2018, 11:03 pm
#245
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Posts: 20,980
From MH to axe First Class, rebrand and reposition as Business Suites
But still to be fare bucket A, F & P. From austbt.com.au
From Dec 12, A380 and A350 first class will be rebranded as Business Suites and positioned as an up-sell from Business Class as well as (in theory) a way for corporate high flyers to book first class even if their travel management policy specifies business class.
More at https://www.ausbt.com.au/malaysia-ai...usiness-suites
More at https://www.ausbt.com.au/malaysia-ai...usiness-suites
From a points perspective, Business Suites passengers will still be booked in to the same fare categories as first class (under codes A, F and P) and earn the same number of Enrich Miles as they would in first class, although how Oneworld partner airlines classify Business Suites earning rates under their own frequent flyer schemes remains to be seen.
Dec 8, 2018, 4:26 am
#246
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SO will still be the F cabin, still books into A, F or P, but called Business Class? I don't see that getting by many corporate travel managers. As soon as they see the "F," I think that it will be denied. Just a guess, though.
Dec 8, 2018, 4:30 am
#247
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Posts: 787
And when that happens, MH can say, well, we tried, but there just isn't the demand for this. Time to rip it out entirely.
Dec 8, 2018, 3:21 pm
#248
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At big corporate's where I have worked the approving muppets would not know what a fare booking class is. Only the text first, business & economy
Dec 10, 2018, 3:54 pm
#249
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Dec 10, 2018, 6:00 pm
#250
Join Date: Dec 2003
Location: Montreal
Posts: 655
[Apologies for the x-post but I need to pull the trigger soon on this.]
I'm going to be burning some miles on a first-class ticket to Asia, Baltimore to Shanghai, in May. I'm trying to decide between itineraries on Cathay and JAL. I wonder if anyone has any thoughts.
Option 1: BWI-JFK (Y) -- 3 hr layover -- JFK-HKG (F) -- 2h20 layover -- HKG-PVG (Y). There is currently no J availability on the last leg although perhaps it tends to open as the departure gets closer. I do however get access to the F lounges for the layover in HKG as I understand it.
Option 2: BWI-ORD (F) -- 3 hr layover -- ORD-NRT (F) -- 4 hr layover -- NRT-PVG (J).
Total flight times are pretty much the same. The second is 30 minutes longer. I leave a bit earlier but arrive a bit earlier too. I wonder if the JL food out of ORD (as opposed to NRT) is as good. Most reviews dealt with flights ex-NRT and the Japanese meals look pretty amazing.
Any thoughts on which experience (flights and lounges) would be more fun?
Thanks!!
I'm going to be burning some miles on a first-class ticket to Asia, Baltimore to Shanghai, in May. I'm trying to decide between itineraries on Cathay and JAL. I wonder if anyone has any thoughts.
Option 1: BWI-JFK (Y) -- 3 hr layover -- JFK-HKG (F) -- 2h20 layover -- HKG-PVG (Y). There is currently no J availability on the last leg although perhaps it tends to open as the departure gets closer. I do however get access to the F lounges for the layover in HKG as I understand it.
Option 2: BWI-ORD (F) -- 3 hr layover -- ORD-NRT (F) -- 4 hr layover -- NRT-PVG (J).
Total flight times are pretty much the same. The second is 30 minutes longer. I leave a bit earlier but arrive a bit earlier too. I wonder if the JL food out of ORD (as opposed to NRT) is as good. Most reviews dealt with flights ex-NRT and the Japanese meals look pretty amazing.
Any thoughts on which experience (flights and lounges) would be more fun?
Thanks!!
Dec 11, 2018, 8:18 pm
#251
FlyerTalk Evangelist
Join Date: Apr 2001
Location: MEL CHC
Posts: 20,980
[Apologies for the x-post but I need to pull the trigger soon on this.]
I'm going to be burning some miles on a first-class ticket to Asia, Baltimore to Shanghai, in May. I'm trying to decide between itineraries on Cathay and JAL. I wonder if anyone has any thoughts.
Option 1: BWI-JFK (Y) -- 3 hr layover -- JFK-HKG (F) -- 2h20 layover -- HKG-PVG (Y). There is currently no J availability on the last leg although perhaps it tends to open as the departure gets closer. I do however get access to the F lounges for the layover in HKG as I understand it.
Option 2: BWI-ORD (F) -- 3 hr layover -- ORD-NRT (F) -- 4 hr layover -- NRT-PVG (J).
Total flight times are pretty much the same. The second is 30 minutes longer. I leave a bit earlier but arrive a bit earlier too. I wonder if the JL food out of ORD (as opposed to NRT) is as good. Most reviews dealt with flights ex-NRT and the Japanese meals look pretty amazing.
Any thoughts on which experience (flights and lounges) would be more fun?
I'm going to be burning some miles on a first-class ticket to Asia, Baltimore to Shanghai, in May. I'm trying to decide between itineraries on Cathay and JAL. I wonder if anyone has any thoughts.
Option 1: BWI-JFK (Y) -- 3 hr layover -- JFK-HKG (F) -- 2h20 layover -- HKG-PVG (Y). There is currently no J availability on the last leg although perhaps it tends to open as the departure gets closer. I do however get access to the F lounges for the layover in HKG as I understand it.
Option 2: BWI-ORD (F) -- 3 hr layover -- ORD-NRT (F) -- 4 hr layover -- NRT-PVG (J).
Total flight times are pretty much the same. The second is 30 minutes longer. I leave a bit earlier but arrive a bit earlier too. I wonder if the JL food out of ORD (as opposed to NRT) is as good. Most reviews dealt with flights ex-NRT and the Japanese meals look pretty amazing.
Any thoughts on which experience (flights and lounges) would be more fun?
