TransMongolian train and global explorer
Feb 11, 2008 | 6:37 am
#1
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TransMongolian train and global explorer
is the trans-mongolian train allowed with the Global Explorer ticket?
The train starts in Europe (Moskou) but ends in Beijing (Asia)....
as a matter of fact: we plan to travel by land from Moskou (Russia) till Delhi (India) :-)
The train starts in Europe (Moskou) but ends in Beijing (Asia)....
as a matter of fact: we plan to travel by land from Moskou (Russia) till Delhi (India) :-)
Feb 11, 2008 | 7:54 am
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Welcome to FT, and yes. You will be charged the mileage between Moscow and wherever your next flight departs.
Feb 17, 2008 | 2:52 am
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One world says:
If you choose to travel by surface transport, the most direct flown distance between the origin and destination point of the surface sector will be counted towards your total flown mileage.
Option 1:
A direct flight from Moskow to Beijing is not possible, there is a indirect flight via Helsinki and that is in total 4,467 miles. From Beijing to Tokyo is 1,328 (direct flight). This means 5,795 miles
Option 2:
buy a one way ticket to Tokyo ourselves and have a over land trip in our RTW ticket from Moskow to Tokyo. This is 4,675 miles.
It seams that option 1 is the better than option 2 (if you stay in the same Tier). But is my theory about option 1 correct??
And one more question: we want to travel by land from Xian (SIA) to Delhi (DEL). The one world online timetable states that there are no flights. How do they calculate the miles??
Feb 17, 2008 | 9:00 am
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If I understand your question correctly the answer is that the distance is simply calculated between the open jaw points, without regard to actual (real) flight routes; it makes no difference if there is a direct flight or not.
Feb 17, 2008 | 1:31 pm
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Are you sure? I've seen reference to IATA distances that include shortest transit routing (within the alliance) if no non-stop exists. Perhaps I am remembering something from *A rather than OW?
Feb 17, 2008 | 2:12 pm
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G. A maximum of 20 segments, including surface segments, are permitted for the entire journey. Intermediate surface sectors are permitted at passengers expense. Surface sectors must be included in the total mileage
However, the oneworld page says this:
If you choose to travel by surface transport, the most direct flown distance between the origin and destination point of the surface sector will be counted towards your total flown mileage.
Are you saying that the distance, for example, EZE//JNB would be counted via LHR?
And what happens with flights that come and go? Does the distance vary according to their schedule?
Edited to add: And this is what QF has to say (again unqualified distance):
Surface sectors are permitted at your own expense, provided such sectors are included in the total mileage calculation. This means if your departure city is different from your arrival city, the mileage between these two cities is included as part of your total mileage
Surface segment rules are particularly rigid and constraining on the Global Explorer, and the 20-segment restriction applies, but transits/connections are not included in mileage totals, which is a big advantage over Star Alliance's RTW.
Last edited by Viajero; Feb 17, 2008 at 2:54 pm
Feb 17, 2008 | 5:04 pm
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I yet haven't figured out how to find out via search, and it wasn't recent enough for me to be sure of the interpretation. Sorry.
Edit: I found this thread in the *A forum.
Edit: I found this thread in the *A forum.
It's the same mileage as an air segment, regardless if a Star partner serves the city pair or not.
Where more than one mileage amount exists between two city pairs, you take the lower of the two.
Where no fares have ever been filed between a city pair and a mileage amount does not exist, you take the shortest connection you can find that has mileage listed between origin and destination via an en-route intermediate port.
Where more than one mileage amount exists between two city pairs, you take the lower of the two.
Where no fares have ever been filed between a city pair and a mileage amount does not exist, you take the shortest connection you can find that has mileage listed between origin and destination via an en-route intermediate port.
Last edited by Kiwi Flyer; Feb 17, 2008 at 5:11 pm