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TDB Feb 11, 2008 6:37 am

TransMongolian train and global explorer
 
is the trans-mongolian train allowed with the Global Explorer ticket?
The train starts in Europe (Moskou) but ends in Beijing (Asia)....

as a matter of fact: we plan to travel by land from Moskou (Russia) till Delhi (India) :-)

Gardyloo Feb 11, 2008 7:54 am


Originally Posted by TDB (Post 9230352)
is the trans-mongolian train allowed with the Global Explorer ticket?
The train starts in Europe (Moskou) but ends in Beijing (Asia)....

as a matter of fact: we plan to travel by land from Moskou (Russia) till Delhi (India) :-)

Welcome to FT, and yes. You will be charged the mileage between Moscow and wherever your next flight departs.

TDB Feb 17, 2008 2:52 am


Originally Posted by Gardyloo (Post 9230663)
Welcome to FT, and yes. You will be charged the mileage between Moscow and wherever your next flight departs.

We are (re)planning our trip around the world and now want to take the train from moskow till beijing and take a flight to Tokyo.

One world says:
If you choose to travel by surface transport, the most direct flown distance between the origin and destination point of the surface sector will be counted towards your total flown mileage.

Option 1:
A direct flight from Moskow to Beijing is not possible, there is a indirect flight via Helsinki and that is in total 4,467 miles. From Beijing to Tokyo is 1,328 (direct flight). This means 5,795 miles

Option 2:
buy a one way ticket to Tokyo ourselves and have a over land trip in our RTW ticket from Moskow to Tokyo. This is 4,675 miles.

It seams that option 1 is the better than option 2 (if you stay in the same Tier). But is my theory about option 1 correct??

And one more question: we want to travel by land from Xian (SIA) to Delhi (DEL). The one world online timetable states that there are no flights. How do they calculate the miles??

Viajero Feb 17, 2008 9:00 am

If I understand your question correctly the answer is that the distance is simply calculated between the open jaw points, without regard to actual (real) flight routes; it makes no difference if there is a direct flight or not.

Gardyloo Feb 17, 2008 9:04 am

The distance between Moscow and Beijing is approximately 3,604 miles or 6,006 KM. That is the amount that will be counted for the open segment.

Kiwi Flyer Feb 17, 2008 1:31 pm


Originally Posted by Viajero (Post 9265541)
If I understand your question correctly the answer is that the distance is simply calculated between the open jaw points, without regard to actual (real) flight routes; it makes no difference if there is a direct flight or not.

Are you sure? I've seen reference to IATA distances that include shortest transit routing (within the alliance) if no non-stop exists. Perhaps I am remembering something from *A rather than OW?

Viajero Feb 17, 2008 2:12 pm


Originally Posted by Kiwi Flyer (Post 9266707)
Are you sure? I've seen reference to IATA distances that include shortest transit routing (within the alliance) if no non-stop exists. Perhaps I am remembering something from *A rather than OW?

That is what I took this sentence from the rules pdf to mean:


G. A maximum of 20 segments, including surface segments, are permitted for the entire journey. Intermediate surface sectors are permitted at passengers expense. Surface sectors must be included in the total mileage
Note there is no mention of actual flights.

However, the oneworld page says this:


If you choose to travel by surface transport, the most direct flown distance between the origin and destination point of the surface sector will be counted towards your total flown mileage.
Which could, I guess, be interpreted either way. What do they mean by "flown" distance? Flown by a bird or flown by real scheduled metal?

Are you saying that the distance, for example, EZE//JNB would be counted via LHR?

And what happens with flights that come and go? Does the distance vary according to their schedule?

Edited to add: And this is what QF has to say (again unqualified distance):


Surface sectors are permitted at your own expense, provided such sectors are included in the total mileage calculation. This means if your departure city is different from your arrival city, the mileage between these two cities is included as part of your total mileage
And one last edit:


Surface segment rules are particularly rigid and constraining on the Global Explorer, and the 20-segment restriction applies, but transits/connections are not included in mileage totals, which is a big advantage over Star Alliance's RTW.
source: http://wikitravel.org/en/Round_the_world_flights

Kiwi Flyer Feb 17, 2008 5:04 pm

I yet haven't figured out how to find out via search, and it wasn't recent enough for me to be sure of the interpretation. Sorry.

Edit: I found this thread in the *A forum.


Originally Posted by Al B (Post 6131677)
It's the same mileage as an air segment, regardless if a Star partner serves the city pair or not.
Where more than one mileage amount exists between two city pairs, you take the lower of the two.
Where no fares have ever been filed between a city pair and a mileage amount does not exist, you take the shortest connection you can find that has mileage listed between origin and destination via an en-route intermediate port.



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