All of the OW product fare rules are now crisply documented on the Oneworld.com site -- so rather easy to find and unambiguous compared to past years. For your rules see http://www.oneworld.com/ow/air-trave...e-pacific-fare

Your options are to either fly QF or fly AA YVR-DFW-SFO (entirely viable though unattractive), or as Gardyloo implied, use the north pacific crossing (YVR-HKG or YVR-NRT). Tons of options -- YVR has great Oneworld service compared to 99% of the cities in this world!!!! Which adds considerable irony to your complaints. Of course AS would be a great addition to AA or Oneworld, and has a close relationship with QF, but under the current rules there is no way to use AS on this fare type. Even the more liberal GE fare excludes using QF codeshares on AS now (and does include using QF codeshares on some Star airlines, by way of contrast).

I'm coming to the sad conclusion that AS' days of close collaboration with AA and OW might be numbered. Their recent snuggling up with Skyteam members (AS EQM now on AF/KL as well as NW and DL) plus lots more SEA-Europe coverage (AF to CDG and NW to LHR as well as AMS) doesn't bode well IMO. Plus they're competing with AA on SEA-ORD, -DFW and -NYC, so I think the lack of AS codeshares on OW fare products is writing on the wall...

^You Are correct Code shares are OK with CIR22:From EXpert Flyer:" E.TRAVEL ON ANY AA/BA/CX/EG/JC/JL/JO/KA/LA/LP/NU/ QF/XL/4M CODESHARE SERVICES OPERATED BY AA/BA/CX/ EG/JC/JL/JO/KA/LA/LP/NU/QF/XL/4M IS PERMITTED.

Unfortunalty the OP wishes to book "QF 3770 (Alaska Metal)" which is operated by AS.

AS is not in that list.

Yup Sorry Mate Misread That .. Give Me Qf Metal Any Day.
Qf On The West Coast?

ERR I READ THIS AGAIN QF CODE SHARES ARE OK

THIS IS WHY THIS FARE IS A GOOD DEAL QF CODE SHARES WITH TN AND THEY ARE NOT ON THE LIST AND TN IS ALLOWED^

Codeshares are okay, provided that they are also operated by airlines in the "operated by" list.

AS is not in the list of permitted operators. Therefore a QF code on AS metal is not eligible on Circle Pacific fares. However, a QF code on AA metal, or AA code on CX metal, etc. are eligible because they are codeshare services operated by AA/BA/CX/EG/JC/JL/JO/KA/LA/LP/NU/QF/XL/4M.

I have the "no One World metal" gap problem on a DCIR22 I have ticketed through CX KUL office for later this year. I have identified some options along with their shortcomings but could do with some opinions. I'm considering (not in order of perceived merit):

1) Contacting CX to purchase a discount economy fare on QF3753 SFO-YVR to connect from my existing QF73.
2) Phoning QF in Australia to do as 1). Should be possible if I advise the e-ticket number.
3) Buy a deeply discounted fare on AS. I assume no protection in event of misconnect in this case but fuel fines would be less than 1) or 2).
4) Buy a full Y or even F on AS to get flexibility in case of misconnect from QF73.

What do you folks think?

US law prohibits QF (and CX) from selling you a ticket in option 1 or 2 (QF codeshares in US must be on the same ticket as a QF flight, not a linked PNR). This has been abused in the past, and is now strictly enforced (thanks to complaints from a certain airline, which shall be nameless, but which begins with U and ends with A).

AS is pretty liberal about missed connections, even on separate tickets (part of the Alaska mindset), so I think an AS discount ticket is zero risk for a misconnect (as long as it is the same day and you aren't trying to get a stopover). So option 3 seems the best.

Good day,

I am looking at a Circle Pacific fare in October - November that would go

CX 879: SFO - HKG <stop> QF 30: HKG - MEL (stop and overland to ADL ) QF: ADL - BNE <stop> QF 175 BNE - LAX and AA LAX - SFO for 20,023 mi (30,040 AA EQP) according to Great Circle Mapper, well with the GC rules, as would be two apparent stopovers in Oz, and one stop in Hong Kong.

We'd spend 4 - 5 days in Hong Kong, 2 -3 days in Melbourne, take the refurbished Overland (rail) to Adelaide to drink some Coopers, er, stay with our good mates in nearby Seaford, fly to Brissie and overnight for our next step / totally different trip-within-a-trip.

On a separate PNR etc. we'd fly BNE-POM <RON> POM - GUR for our purpose, superb PNG diving for a couple of weeks (with our ADL mates) and back to BNE, for a 2 - 3 day drying out period (well, maybe take on some Moreton Bay Bugs and some beer to help purge residual nitrogen from the system,) and return via QF 175 to LAX and AA for the very short hop to SFO.

Probably a simple issue for you GC / GE boffins / fundis / experts, but I want to check with you before I call AA and make a fool of myself... and also ask about any possible problems, e.g. BNE-LAX being a 747-438 with older, non-flat seats or whatever.

Any observations, tips and comments are welcome. TIA!

It is unlikely that Qantas will use a "Dreamtime" seat equipped 743 for QF175.

As this is a 2 class flight, what is more likely to happen is a 3 class 744 getting substituted, in which case there will be 14 lie flat First class Zone A seats available at a J price.

Not that it matters a lot, but you must include the mileage of the surface segment between ADL-MEL.

52N . * SURFACE TRAVEL AND THE USE OF OTHER CARRIERS
53N . BETWEEN INTERMEDIATE POINTS ALONG THE CIRCLE
54N . WHICH ARE NOT OPERATED BY
55N . AA/AY*/BA/CX/EG/JC/JL/JO/KA/LA/LP/NU/QF/XL/4M IS
56N . PERMITTED AT PASSENGER*S EXPENSE AND MUST BE
57N . TICKETED SEPARATELY. MILEAGE MUST BE INCLUDED IN
58N . THE TOTAL MILEAGE /MPM CALCULATION./

Thanks! As you say, it will add minimal mileage, adding 399 miles which contribute nothing to earned miles.

And serfty thanks for the seat information - I think I'll study a bit more on the QF Forum, and also lI see this listing on qantas.com with the Skybed flights..

The drive MEL-ADL on the GOR (Great Ocean Road) is one of the great drives of the world, better than California 1 SFO-LAX for example. The rail trip is less exciting. I'd pick flying over rail but would do the drive if time and money permitted.

If you opt for the BNE-SYD-LAX-SFO, you might want to consider the SYD-SFO nonstop, QF does not fly that route daily, but you can skip LAX and get home faster.