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HeyAussie Dec 14, 2007 6:26 pm

Circle Pacific Experts ?
 
Hi All, I just booked a DCIR22 fare from YVR and the QF agent (US based) would not allow me to use the Alaska Airlines codeshares in the itinerary, he told me that this is no longer possible. I wanted to book QF 3770 (Alaska Metal) but he made me book a day earlier to get on QF 74 (Qantas Metal) from YVR-SFO.

Can anyone shed any light on this ? I'm thinking I'll wait till 10.30pm and phone back when the phones are switched through to Australia and see if I can find someone who can fix this.

Thanks in advance.

og Dec 14, 2007 6:33 pm

Pure passenger comfort in Business will be 1000% better on the QF 744 than anything that AS (First) can come up with.

I assume the rules prohibit use of non-QF operated flights - as do the xONEx rules?

HeyAussie Dec 14, 2007 6:47 pm

I agree on the comfort factor (however it means an extra day away from home), however I've used these codeshares on xonex's and DCIR's before without any problems. Anyone point me to the detailed rules, I can't seem to find them, in the past I think the codeshares were specifically mentioned as being allowed.

Mwenenzi Dec 14, 2007 7:02 pm


Originally Posted by HeyAussie (Post 8898110)
..however I've used these codeshares on xonex's and DCIR's before without any problems.

Codeshares on non Oneworld metal have never been allowed on *ONE*, but are OK on GlobalExplorer


Originally Posted by HeyAussie (Post 8898110)
Anyone point me to the detailed rules, I can't seem to find them, in the past I think the codeshares were specifically mentioned as being allowed.

On the OneWorld web site

serfty Dec 14, 2007 8:08 pm

This rule seems to have changed:

Rules published 13DEC07:

A. Travel must be on the services of BA/CX/EG/JC/JL/JO/KA/NU/QF and their affiliates only.

F. Travel on any BA/CX/EG/JC/JL/JO/KA/NU/QF codeshare service operated by BA/CX/EG/JC/JL/JO/KA/NU/QF. Other codeshare services not permitted.

HeyAussie Dec 14, 2007 10:27 pm

It doesn't make sense. QF 73/74 is seasonal. When QF metal flights are not operating, it wouldn't be possible to include YVR in a DCIR routing if this rule is correct.

I originally tried to book this itinerary with AA and they had no problem with the AS codeshare (YVR-SFO) but they couldn't get their system to book the QF flight numbers for SFO-SYD and I need to get my four QF flights to maintain status so I thought I'd book direct with QF.

I'm confused, is our Oneworld shrinking ? :td:

og Dec 15, 2007 12:00 am


Originally Posted by HeyAussie (Post 8898938)
I'm confused, is our Oneworld shrinking ? :td:

Yes - it just got proportionally smaller by about 1.2 billion people with CA joining the evil empire.

willyroo Dec 15, 2007 3:01 am

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Better placed in the friendly OW forum...

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HeyAussie Dec 15, 2007 10:25 am

Maybe, feel free to move it if you like.

No joy from the Australian Agent either, it looks like I'm stuck with leaving a day earlier than I wanted to.

Canada really needs some oneworld connections.

Gardyloo Dec 15, 2007 12:35 pm


Originally Posted by HeyAussie (Post 8900552)
Canada really needs some oneworld connections.

Perhaps you could toodle on down to 980 Burrard (the OW HQ) and explain to them that YVR being served by AA, BA, CX, JL and (occasionally) QF isn't enough.

HeyAussie Dec 15, 2007 4:43 pm

Gardyloo, I hear ya but realistically Canada is pretty tough to get around on Oneworld, how do you get from Vancouver to Calgary, Winnipeg or Toronto ?

JL is a welcome addition but it only adds Mexico City and Tokyo. AA only does DFW, apart from the seasonal QF 74/3, LAX and SFO are no go.

Gardyloo Dec 15, 2007 5:12 pm


Originally Posted by HeyAussie (Post 8902261)
Gardyloo, I hear ya but realistically Canada is pretty tough to get around on Oneworld, how do you get from Vancouver to Calgary, Winnipeg or Toronto ?

JL is a welcome addition but it only adds Mexico City and Tokyo. AA only does DFW, apart from the seasonal QF 74/3, LAX and SFO are no go.

Of course you're right - a long standing problem since AC became a more-or-less monopoly and AA apparently couldn't give a flying fox for north-south along the Pacific coast. (But, in fairness, there are a lot of AA codeshares on AS, just not eligible for OW global products.)

lavalyn Dec 21, 2007 2:01 pm

The loss of Canadian Airlines in oneworld has badly damaged those connections. AA did try to get in the fun of buying them out, though.

I'm waiting for Westjet to get in the fun.

GoldFlyer Dec 23, 2007 6:01 am


Originally Posted by lavalyn (Post 8936918)
The loss of Canadian Airlines in oneworld has badly damaged those connections. AA did try to get in the fun of buying them out, though.

I'm waiting for Westjet to get in the fun.

It will never happen imo.

DownUnderFlyer Dec 24, 2007 4:34 am


Originally Posted by HeyAussie (Post 8902261)
Gardyloo, I hear ya but realistically Canada is pretty tough to get around on Oneworld, how do you get from Vancouver to Calgary, Winnipeg or Toronto ?

JL is a welcome addition but it only adds Mexico City and Tokyo. AA only does DFW, apart from the seasonal QF 74/3, LAX and SFO are no go.

But this is not just typical for the YVR situation. How do you get from HAJ to LHR? From PVG to CAN? *A is great for travel within Canada and China. OW is great for travel within South America and Australia.
That's just how it is. We all wish that each alliance would cover every route on earth but this is just not the case.


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