Circle Pacific Experts ?
 

Hi All, I just booked a DCIR22 fare from YVR and the QF agent (US based) would not allow me to use the Alaska Airlines codeshares in the itinerary, he told me that this is no longer possible. I wanted to book QF 3770 (Alaska Metal) but he made me book a day earlier to get on QF 74 (Qantas Metal) from YVR-SFO.

Can anyone shed any light on this ? I'm thinking I'll wait till 10.30pm and phone back when the phones are switched through to Australia and see if I can find someone who can fix this.

Thanks in advance.

Pure passenger comfort in Business will be 1000% better on the QF 744 than anything that AS (First) can come up with.

I assume the rules prohibit use of non-QF operated flights - as do the xONEx rules?

I agree on the comfort factor (however it means an extra day away from home), however I've used these codeshares on xonex's and DCIR's before without any problems. Anyone point me to the detailed rules, I can't seem to find them, in the past I think the codeshares were specifically mentioned as being allowed.

Codeshares on non Oneworld metal have never been allowed on *ONE*, but are OK on GlobalExplorer

On the OneWorld web site

This rule seems to have changed:

Rules published 13DEC07:

It doesn't make sense. QF 73/74 is seasonal. When QF metal flights are not operating, it wouldn't be possible to include YVR in a DCIR routing if this rule is correct.

I originally tried to book this itinerary with AA and they had no problem with the AS codeshare (YVR-SFO) but they couldn't get their system to book the QF flight numbers for SFO-SYD and I need to get my four QF flights to maintain status so I thought I'd book direct with QF.

I'm confused, is our Oneworld shrinking ? :td:

Yes - it just got proportionally smaller by about 1.2 billion people with CA joining the evil empire.

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Better placed in the friendly OW forum...

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Maybe, feel free to move it if you like.

No joy from the Australian Agent either, it looks like I'm stuck with leaving a day earlier than I wanted to.

Canada really needs some oneworld connections.

Perhaps you could toodle on down to 980 Burrard (the OW HQ) and explain to them that YVR being served by AA, BA, CX, JL and (occasionally) QF isn't enough.

Gardyloo, I hear ya but realistically Canada is pretty tough to get around on Oneworld, how do you get from Vancouver to Calgary, Winnipeg or Toronto ?

JL is a welcome addition but it only adds Mexico City and Tokyo. AA only does DFW, apart from the seasonal QF 74/3, LAX and SFO are no go.

Of course you're right - a long standing problem since AC became a more-or-less monopoly and AA apparently couldn't give a flying fox for north-south along the Pacific coast. (But, in fairness, there are a lot of AA codeshares on AS, just not eligible for OW global products.)

The loss of Canadian Airlines in oneworld has badly damaged those connections. AA did try to get in the fun of buying them out, though.

I'm waiting for Westjet to get in the fun.

It will never happen imo.

But this is not just typical for the YVR situation. How do you get from HAJ to LHR? From PVG to CAN? *A is great for travel within Canada and China. OW is great for travel within South America and Australia.
That's just how it is. We all wish that each alliance would cover every route on earth but this is just not the case.

All of the OW product fare rules are now crisply documented on the Oneworld.com site -- so rather easy to find and unambiguous compared to past years. For your rules see http://www.oneworld.com/ow/air-trave...e-pacific-fare

Your options are to either fly QF or fly AA YVR-DFW-SFO (entirely viable though unattractive), or as Gardyloo implied, use the north pacific crossing (YVR-HKG or YVR-NRT). Tons of options -- YVR has great Oneworld service compared to 99% of the cities in this world!!!! Which adds considerable irony to your complaints. Of course AS would be a great addition to AA or Oneworld, and has a close relationship with QF, but under the current rules there is no way to use AS on this fare type. Even the more liberal GE fare excludes using QF codeshares on AS now (and does include using QF codeshares on some Star airlines, by way of contrast).

I'm coming to the sad conclusion that AS' days of close collaboration with AA and OW might be numbered. Their recent snuggling up with Skyteam members (AS EQM now on AF/KL as well as NW and DL) plus lots more SEA-Europe coverage (AF to CDG and NW to LHR as well as AMS) doesn't bode well IMO. Plus they're competing with AA on SEA-ORD, -DFW and -NYC, so I think the lack of AS codeshares on OW fare products is writing on the wall...

Code Shares Are Allowed
 

^You Are correct Code shares are OK with CIR22:From EXpert Flyer:" E.TRAVEL ON ANY AA/BA/CX/EG/JC/JL/JO/KA/LA/LP/NU/ QF/XL/4M CODESHARE SERVICES OPERATED BY AA/BA/CX/ EG/JC/JL/JO/KA/LA/LP/NU/QF/XL/4M IS PERMITTED.:cool:

Unfortunalty the OP wishes to book "QF 3770 (Alaska Metal)" which is operated by AS.

AS is not in that list.

Yup Sorry Mate Misread That .. Give Me Qf Metal Any Day.
Qf On The West Coast?

Getting Late- He Was Right
 

ERR I READ THIS AGAIN QF CODE SHARES ARE OK :confused:

THIS IS WHY THIS FARE IS A GOOD DEAL QF CODE SHARES WITH TN AND THEY ARE NOT ON THE LIST AND TN IS ALLOWED^:o

Codeshares are okay, provided that they are also operated by airlines in the "operated by" list.

AS is not in the list of permitted operators. Therefore a QF code on AS metal is not eligible on Circle Pacific fares. However, a QF code on AA metal, or AA code on CX metal, etc. are eligible because they are codeshare services operated by AA/BA/CX/EG/JC/JL/JO/KA/LA/LP/NU/QF/XL/4M.

Bridging the SFO-YVR gap
 

I have the "no One World metal" gap problem on a DCIR22 I have ticketed through CX KUL office for later this year. I have identified some options along with their shortcomings but could do with some opinions. I'm considering (not in order of perceived merit):

1) Contacting CX to purchase a discount economy fare on QF3753 SFO-YVR to connect from my existing QF73.
2) Phoning QF in Australia to do as 1). Should be possible if I advise the e-ticket number.
3) Buy a deeply discounted fare on AS. I assume no protection in event of misconnect in this case but fuel fines would be less than 1) or 2).
4) Buy a full Y or even F on AS to get flexibility in case of misconnect from QF73.

What do you folks think?

US law prohibits QF (and CX) from selling you a ticket in option 1 or 2 (QF codeshares in US must be on the same ticket as a QF flight, not a linked PNR). This has been abused in the past, and is now strictly enforced (thanks to complaints from a certain airline, which shall be nameless, but which begins with U and ends with A).

AS is pretty liberal about missed connections, even on separate tickets (part of the Alaska mindset), so I think an AS discount ticket is zero risk for a misconnect (as long as it is the same day and you aren't trying to get a stopover). So option 3 seems the best.

Circle Pacific SFO-HKG x HKG-MEL xrailx ADL-BNE x BNE-LAX-SFO qq.
 

Good day,

I am looking at a Circle Pacific fare in October - November that would go

CX 879: SFO - HKG <stop> QF 30: HKG - MEL (stop and overland to ADL ) QF: ADL - BNE <stop> QF 175 BNE - LAX and AA LAX - SFO for 20,023 mi (30,040 AA EQP) according to Great Circle Mapper, well with the GC rules, as would be two apparent stopovers in Oz, and one stop in Hong Kong.

We'd spend 4 - 5 days in Hong Kong, 2 -3 days in Melbourne, take the refurbished Overland (rail) to Adelaide to drink some Coopers, er, stay with our good mates in nearby Seaford, fly to Brissie and overnight for our next step / totally different trip-within-a-trip.

On a separate PNR etc. we'd fly BNE-POM <RON> POM - GUR for our purpose, superb PNG diving for a couple of weeks (with our ADL mates) and back to BNE, for a 2 - 3 day drying out period (well, maybe take on some Moreton Bay Bugs and some beer to help purge residual nitrogen from the system,) and return via QF 175 to LAX and AA for the very short hop to SFO.

Probably a simple issue for you GC / GE boffins / fundis / experts, but I want to check with you before I call AA and make a fool of myself... and also ask about any possible problems, e.g. BNE-LAX being a 747-438 with older, non-flat seats or whatever.

Any observations, tips and comments are welcome. TIA!

It is unlikely that Qantas will use a "Dreamtime" seat equipped 743 for QF175.

As this is a 2 class flight, what is more likely to happen is a 3 class 744 getting substituted, in which case there will be 14 lie flat First class Zone A seats available at a J price.

Not that it matters a lot, but you must include the mileage of the surface segment between ADL-MEL.

52N . * SURFACE TRAVEL AND THE USE OF OTHER CARRIERS
53N . BETWEEN INTERMEDIATE POINTS ALONG THE CIRCLE
54N . WHICH ARE NOT OPERATED BY
55N . AA/AY*/BA/CX/EG/JC/JL/JO/KA/LA/LP/NU/QF/XL/4M IS
56N . PERMITTED AT PASSENGER*S EXPENSE AND MUST BE
57N . TICKETED SEPARATELY. MILEAGE MUST BE INCLUDED IN
58N . THE TOTAL MILEAGE /MPM CALCULATION./

Thanks! As you say, it will add minimal mileage, adding 399 miles which contribute nothing to earned miles.

And serfty thanks for the seat information - I think I'll study a bit more on the QF Forum, and also lI see this listing on qantas.com with the Skybed flights..

The drive MEL-ADL on the GOR (Great Ocean Road) is one of the great drives of the world, better than California 1 SFO-LAX for example. The rail trip is less exciting. I'd pick flying over rail but would do the drive if time and money permitted.

If you opt for the BNE-SYD-LAX-SFO, you might want to consider the SYD-SFO nonstop, QF does not fly that route daily, but you can skip LAX and get home faster.

Great information! CA 1 is one of my favourite drives. Thanks.

CA 1 LAX-SFO, and of course GOC, have a well deserved reputation but IMO they take second and third place (or third and second if you like) to the breathtaking beauty of 1/101 North of SF, all the way through Oregon and the Olympic Peninsula.

I've done some looking, but what happens when there is no nonstop routing, e.g. ADL-CNS (I have to use CNS because for some reason PX is not operating the 763 to POM Saturday Nov 8, but has two flights to POM from CNS.) It now looks like SFO-HKG-ADL (using CX all the way) x ADL-SYD-CNS x CNS-SYD-SFO (using QF all the way.) CNS-POM-GUR-POM-CNS nested using PX. Even calculating SYD in the mix for connection purposes, it's still under MPM, so it's not a major worry.