Viajero, I know that. As I said in both posts in this thread in which I mentioned it, it was on a DAS17, not a xONEx. As I said in the post 2 posts above yours, "There's no reason to suppose the OWE stopover rules have changed .... but then why would it be different on a DASx vs. a xONEx? Also, 'interesting' that the definition is no longer in the *file. Obviously, whatever rule is enforced by whichever airline is issuing the ticket is what counts .... YMMV."

All I was attempting to do was to give the OP (and others who bother to read what I said) a 'heads -up' to a potential pitfall that certainly caught us out, albeit on a different ticket type. I made the fact that it was a different ticket type explicitly clear. I made the observation in an effort to be helpful to someone who was planning a ticket where stopovers are usually not much of an issue but where it was relevant to the planning that was being done.

And I know that you know, always did, since your first post in this thread. Your two posts were clear, the details explicit and I understood perfectly well the message you conveyed. No argument from me on that score, so if I managed to give a different impression my apologies. I could try to explain again what I meant by my comments but don't want to stuff it up even further, so I will bow out with a mea culpa and leave it at that.

Exactly -Perhaps the oneworld entities have agreed to disagree on this so there is no specific definition.

Is there any published IATA definition of a stopover that could be applied to these alliance products?

Please don't do that .... and certainly no mea culpa needed!

I was just beginning to wonder whether my "horrendous grammar" (apparently a problem in the opinion of one FT poster, in another thread) was so incomprehensible that you had perhaps missed the DAS17 vs. xONEx references. Obviously not.

It's a bit like reading an English menu in a Japanese restaurant. They get it just about right - close enough so that you have some idea what you're ordering but you're always left wondering why they didn't have someone who's a native-language English speaker fix it up for them. It's the same with *files and the published rules on the oneworld website (and AA.com for that matter). Do they ever consider having people who actually buy the tickets (or otherwise use the information) critique what they publish to check whether (a) it's understandable and (b) unambiguously answers the questions that ticket buyers want or need to know (like "what's a stopover on this ticket?").

On the DAS17, it's a maximum of 8 segments and you're allowed 5 stopovers (no more than 1 at any one point). However, you can purchase additional stopovers.

Q. If you do that, can you then have 2 stopovers at the same point?
A. No. At least that's what I was told when I asked (which I had to do as it wasn't - at least to me - unambiguously clear).

.... and I guess I've now digressed sufficiently to take this topic waaay off course, for which my apologies to one and all ...

In some cases the ambiguity may be deliberate.

Just an update, and to confirm that my undestranding of the rules is correct.

Currently flying back into SYD, and we need stays in SYD, CNS and then SYD again - this is against the rules, as it will be three stopovers in continent of origin.

I am advising that the AONE4 will consist of (towards the end) HKG-AKL-xSYD-CNS-SYD-xBNE-SYD, so the first SYD will be a transit, CNS will be the first stopover, the second SYD will be the second stopover, and BNE will be an overnight transit. This will amount to four sectors, two stopovers within the continent of origin. This will be within the rules, won't it?

Nested into all that will be AKL-SYD-AKL, probably in steerage, but who knows.

So, flying into AKL on the AONE4, out on the nested side trip, a few months in SYD, back to AKL on the nested side-trip to resume the AONE4, AKL-SYD in A on either QF or LA (yeah, I know difficult) then up to CNS and so on.

Any thoughts on this one?

Dave

New zealand is also part of the SWP continent, so this won't help you. You have 3 stopovers (AKL, SYD and CNS) and 5 sectors in SWP.

Bugger - and there was me thinking that a "continent" was the dictionary version.

Back to the planning board.

Thanks for that.

Dave