Help with RTW please.
#46
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Originally Posted by Gardyloo
No ORD-ANC anymore; no F on any SJU services.
Nor is there F on any of the SWP segments:
-CBR-PER-MEL-AKL-SYD-
So these earn 160 TP's rather than 240.
Perhaps do -CBR-PER-MEL//ADL-AKL-SYD- to get back to 240 SWP TP's.
For 2220 TP's in total, you could do:
MRU-LHR-MCT-AUH-MCT-LHR-LAX-MIA-DFW-ANC-DFW-ORD-JFK-SYD//CBR-PER-MEL//ADL-AKL-SYD-JNB-MRU
Last edited by serfty; Jan 30, 2007 at 11:16 pm
#48
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hourami
I think you need to sit back a little and think about what it is you are doing here.
At one point you listed a bunch of must go places in NA and now some of the suggestions you are getting only make it to a few of these.
What is your goal here? Do you want status with BA? Fine, you only need 1500 TPs (assuming you are not Euro based, in which case it is even less). So going for maximum TPs as some have been suggesting is not going to do much for you. Especially if it is at the cost of visiting one of the places you wanted to go to.
But just to throw a spanner in the works, if you get close enough to the 2500TP mark then a Gold Upgrade for Two would be in the offing.
I think you need to get your priorities right and don't let us push and pull you in various directions.
BTW I am not having a go at any of the posters on this thread (I know we are all trying to help). It just appears to me on reading through it that OP is being influenced a little too easily and needs to think about what their main goal is here.
I think you need to sit back a little and think about what it is you are doing here.
At one point you listed a bunch of must go places in NA and now some of the suggestions you are getting only make it to a few of these.
What is your goal here? Do you want status with BA? Fine, you only need 1500 TPs (assuming you are not Euro based, in which case it is even less). So going for maximum TPs as some have been suggesting is not going to do much for you. Especially if it is at the cost of visiting one of the places you wanted to go to.
But just to throw a spanner in the works, if you get close enough to the 2500TP mark then a Gold Upgrade for Two would be in the offing.
I think you need to get your priorities right and don't let us push and pull you in various directions.
BTW I am not having a go at any of the posters on this thread (I know we are all trying to help). It just appears to me on reading through it that OP is being influenced a little too easily and needs to think about what their main goal is here.
#50
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Moomba
Thank you. You are correct that I have been infuenced by people on the thread, but in a good way. My routing:
MRU-LHR-MCT-AUH-MCT-LHR-LAX-MIA-DFW-ANC-DFW-ORD-JFK-SYD//ADL-AKL-ADL//CBR-PER-SYD-JNB-MRU
Has been through a few changes. I did want to go to HNL, but there is no first serice on his route and it is a long route. So that was dropped. I wanted to go to LAS and have been advised that it is cheaper to just purchase a ticket/drive from LAX and can therefore also do SFO. Again, I wanted to go to DTW and can from ORD by again purchasing a seperate flight. The other cities of MIA and JFK are still in my planned route. As for ANC, never been to Alaska so this a great opportunity to see it.
I have also never been to Australia so the only places I really wanted to go were MEL and SYD, the other places are an added bonus.
I am eurobased, so when I get gold and requalify for the year, I will do a challenge on AA for status on AA, or just leave it all on BA, still figuring that one out.
Thank you. You are correct that I have been infuenced by people on the thread, but in a good way. My routing:
MRU-LHR-MCT-AUH-MCT-LHR-LAX-MIA-DFW-ANC-DFW-ORD-JFK-SYD//ADL-AKL-ADL//CBR-PER-SYD-JNB-MRU
Has been through a few changes. I did want to go to HNL, but there is no first serice on his route and it is a long route. So that was dropped. I wanted to go to LAS and have been advised that it is cheaper to just purchase a ticket/drive from LAX and can therefore also do SFO. Again, I wanted to go to DTW and can from ORD by again purchasing a seperate flight. The other cities of MIA and JFK are still in my planned route. As for ANC, never been to Alaska so this a great opportunity to see it.
I have also never been to Australia so the only places I really wanted to go were MEL and SYD, the other places are an added bonus.
I am eurobased, so when I get gold and requalify for the year, I will do a challenge on AA for status on AA, or just leave it all on BA, still figuring that one out.
#51
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Moomba
Thank you. You are correct that I have been infuenced by people on the thread, but in a good way. My routing:
MRU-LHR-MCT-AUH-MCT-LHR-LAX-MIA-DFW-ANC-DFW-ORD-JFK-SYD//ADL-AKL-ADL//CBR-PER-SYD-JNB-MRU
Has been through a few changes. I did want to go to HNL, but there is no first serice on his route and it is a long route. So that was dropped. I wanted to go to LAS and have been advised that it is cheaper to just purchase a ticket/drive from LAX and can therefore also do SFO. Again, I wanted to go to DTW and can from ORD by again purchasing a seperate flight. The other cities of MIA and JFK are still in my planned route. As for ANC, never been to Alaska so this a great opportunity to see it.
I have also never been to Australia so the only places I really wanted to go were MEL and SYD, the other places are an added bonus.
I am eurobased, so when I get gold and requalify for the year, I will do a challenge on AA for status on AA, or just leave it all on BA, still figuring that one out.
Thank you. You are correct that I have been infuenced by people on the thread, but in a good way. My routing:
MRU-LHR-MCT-AUH-MCT-LHR-LAX-MIA-DFW-ANC-DFW-ORD-JFK-SYD//ADL-AKL-ADL//CBR-PER-SYD-JNB-MRU
Has been through a few changes. I did want to go to HNL, but there is no first serice on his route and it is a long route. So that was dropped. I wanted to go to LAS and have been advised that it is cheaper to just purchase a ticket/drive from LAX and can therefore also do SFO. Again, I wanted to go to DTW and can from ORD by again purchasing a seperate flight. The other cities of MIA and JFK are still in my planned route. As for ANC, never been to Alaska so this a great opportunity to see it.
I have also never been to Australia so the only places I really wanted to go were MEL and SYD, the other places are an added bonus.
I am eurobased, so when I get gold and requalify for the year, I will do a challenge on AA for status on AA, or just leave it all on BA, still figuring that one out.
That's cool hourami, I just didn't want you to lose sight of what you were doing.
On the LAX-MIA make sure you try to get the 777 service that is a true 3 class on this route.
You said you wanted to see MEL but it is not in your final routing. Are you going to go there on a separate ticket? You must as it is the best city in OZ (well maybe I am a little biased as I lived there for the first 36 years of my life
)As to gaining status on AA. You need to ask yourself why. As you will note from my profile I am both AA Emerald and BA Emerald. I recently asked myself why and couldn't find a reason!
If you intend to stick with BA for the future why bother getting status on AA? Go for the GUF2 on BA.
If you think you might like to throw some serious miles at AA in the future then on a miles earning and cost of redemption basis AA wins hands down.
I have a lot of miles invested in AA and have decided to let my BA status slip for the time being and just throw everything at AA.
Of course the above is just my opinion and you need to think about how you would use your miles and what your future travel plans will be. Study the FF guides online for both AA and BA and see if you would be able to take advantage of the top tier benefits for each. You need to think about the restrictions on earning AA miles on BA FF b/w UK and US and visa versa. Will you be able to use system wide upgrades on AA (AA metal only), as opposed to a GUF2 for example?
There are plenty of threads on this forum about which FF programme to use which will give you some more ideas.
Out of interest are you going to do this whole trip in one fell swoop or will you be breaking the journey at some point and flying back to Europe on a separate ticket?
Good luck and enjoy your trip. I am sure you will have a ball.
#52
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You said you wanted to see MEL but it is not in your final routing. Are you going to go there on a separate ticket? You must as it is the best city in OZ (well maybe I am a little biased as I lived there for the first 36 years of my life
)
)
As to gaining status on AA. You need to ask yourself why. As you will note from my profile I am both AA Emerald and BA Emerald. I recently asked myself why and couldn't find a reason!
If you intend to stick with BA for the future why bother getting status on AA? Go for the GUF2 on BA.
If you think you might like to throw some serious miles at AA in the future then on a miles earning and cost of redemption basis AA wins hands down.
I have a lot of miles invested in AA and have decided to let my BA status slip for the time being and just throw everything at AA.
Of course the above is just my opinion and you need to think about how you would use your miles and what your future travel plans will be. Study the FF guides online for both AA and BA and see if you would be able to take advantage of the top tier benefits for each. You need to think about the restrictions on earning AA miles on BA FF b/w UK and US and visa versa. Will you be able to use system wide upgrades on AA (AA metal only), as opposed to a GUF2 for example?
There are plenty of threads on this forum about which FF programme to use which will give you some more ideas.
If you intend to stick with BA for the future why bother getting status on AA? Go for the GUF2 on BA.
If you think you might like to throw some serious miles at AA in the future then on a miles earning and cost of redemption basis AA wins hands down.
I have a lot of miles invested in AA and have decided to let my BA status slip for the time being and just throw everything at AA.
Of course the above is just my opinion and you need to think about how you would use your miles and what your future travel plans will be. Study the FF guides online for both AA and BA and see if you would be able to take advantage of the top tier benefits for each. You need to think about the restrictions on earning AA miles on BA FF b/w UK and US and visa versa. Will you be able to use system wide upgrades on AA (AA metal only), as opposed to a GUF2 for example?
There are plenty of threads on this forum about which FF programme to use which will give you some more ideas.
Out of interest are you going to do this whole trip in one fell swoop or will you be breaking the journey at some point and flying back to Europe on a separate ticket?
Good luck and enjoy your trip. I am sure you will have a ball.
#53
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That said, you've had good advice about making the ticket work for you rather than the other way around.
#54
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If the DFW-ORD segment is to position yourself for DTW, you could consider something like this instead, preserving a CX transcon - LHR-YVR-JFK-MIA-DTW//DFW-ANC-DFW-LAS//LAX-SYD, buying a one-way ticket between DTW and DFW. Most days, the cheapest one-way ticket between DTW and DFW is actually via ORD and STL, so you'd get some extra TP for those hops too.
That said, you've had good advice about making the ticket work for you rather than the other way around.
That said, you've had good advice about making the ticket work for you rather than the other way around.
MRU-LHR-MCT-AUH-MCT-LHR-YVR-JFK-MIA-DTW//DFW-ANC-DFW-LAS//LAX-SYD//ADL-AKL-ADL//CBR-PER-SYD-JNB-MRU
AA is $300, NWA is $200 and Southwest is only $120 between DTW and DFW
Last edited by BlueHorizonUK; Jan 31, 2007 at 9:17 am
#55
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So we are replacing Chicago with Vancouver, prefer Vancouver anyway so this is good. This actually sounds better and the route looks better aswel.
MRU-LHR-MCT-AUH-MCT-LHR-YVR-JFK-MIA-DTW//DFW-ANC-DFW-LAS//LAX-SYD//ADL-AKL-ADL//CBR-PER-SYD-JNB-MRU
AA is $300, NWA is $200 and Southwest is only $120 between DTW and DFW
MRU-LHR-MCT-AUH-MCT-LHR-YVR-JFK-MIA-DTW//DFW-ANC-DFW-LAS//LAX-SYD//ADL-AKL-ADL//CBR-PER-SYD-JNB-MRU
AA is $300, NWA is $200 and Southwest is only $120 between DTW and DFW
#56
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Yes that is a bonus!
Thanks guys for all your help.
I have gone from this at the start of the thread:
LHR-JFK-ORD-LAX-HNL-SYD-AKL-MEL-SYD-HKG-PEK-HKG-LHR
to this (reversed the route as the Euro legs will just eat up time and I can save it for later in the year):
MRU-JNB-SYD-PER-CBR//ADL-AKL-ADL//SYD-LAX//LAS-DFW-ANC-DFW//DTW-MIA-JFK-YVR-LHR then a break of 4 or 5 months and then continue to MCT-AUH-MCT-LHR-MRU
A HUGE difference. Leaves me to figure out when to use my BA Exec Card (will be downgraded in April to Blue) and when to use my AA cards.
I have contacted MRU and they have priced a AONE4 at 188000 plus taxes amounting to approx 30000, so total of 218000 MUR or approx $6,600 or 3,400.
Thanks again everyone esp Moomba, serfty, Gardyloo and Kiwi Flyer
Thanks guys for all your help.
I have gone from this at the start of the thread:
LHR-JFK-ORD-LAX-HNL-SYD-AKL-MEL-SYD-HKG-PEK-HKG-LHR
to this (reversed the route as the Euro legs will just eat up time and I can save it for later in the year):
MRU-JNB-SYD-PER-CBR//ADL-AKL-ADL//SYD-LAX//LAS-DFW-ANC-DFW//DTW-MIA-JFK-YVR-LHR then a break of 4 or 5 months and then continue to MCT-AUH-MCT-LHR-MRU
A HUGE difference. Leaves me to figure out when to use my BA Exec Card (will be downgraded in April to Blue) and when to use my AA cards.
I have contacted MRU and they have priced a AONE4 at 188000 plus taxes amounting to approx 30000, so total of 218000 MUR or approx $6,600 or 3,400.
Thanks again everyone esp Moomba, serfty, Gardyloo and Kiwi Flyer
#57
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Well I have emailed MRU to confirm my routing and waiting for them to get back to me.
I have a question though. My silver membership lapses on April 8 and will go back to blue. I do not plan to take any flights before my RTW trip begins. My question is that BA stipulate that you need 4 tier point earning flights operated by BA to achieve and retain Silver or Gold. My BA flights are at the beginning and at the end so does that mean that all the points I earn will be wasted as I won't get moved up as the flights are not on BA? So I could have 2,000 tier points but will still be on Blue? What should I do?
Potentially I could do a cheap euro flight in Club Europe so that is two (return flight) and then LHR-MRU an then MRU-JNB, making the 4 on BA but the Australia flights are Qantas and the N.America flights are AA and CX.
Another thing, if I am getting moved from blue to silver and then silver to gold WHILE travelling, how do I get into Qantas club rooms and AA Admiral lounges etc etc. Will my AONE4 fare let me in anyway without the status.
Thanks
I have a question though. My silver membership lapses on April 8 and will go back to blue. I do not plan to take any flights before my RTW trip begins. My question is that BA stipulate that you need 4 tier point earning flights operated by BA to achieve and retain Silver or Gold. My BA flights are at the beginning and at the end so does that mean that all the points I earn will be wasted as I won't get moved up as the flights are not on BA? So I could have 2,000 tier points but will still be on Blue? What should I do?
Potentially I could do a cheap euro flight in Club Europe so that is two (return flight) and then LHR-MRU an then MRU-JNB, making the 4 on BA but the Australia flights are Qantas and the N.America flights are AA and CX.
Another thing, if I am getting moved from blue to silver and then silver to gold WHILE travelling, how do I get into Qantas club rooms and AA Admiral lounges etc etc. Will my AONE4 fare let me in anyway without the status.
Thanks
#58
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.... My question is that BA stipulate that you need 4 tier point earning flights operated by BA to achieve and retain Silver or Gold. My BA flights are at the beginning and at the end so does that mean that all the points I earn will be wasted as I won't get moved up as the flights are not on BA? So I could have 2,000 tier points but will still be on Blue? What should I do?
Potentially I could do a cheap euro flight in Club Europe so that is two (return flight) and then LHR-MRU an then MRU-JNB, making the 4 on BA but the Australia flights are Qantas and the N.America flights are AA and CX.
Another thing, if I am getting moved from blue to silver and then silver to gold WHILE travelling, how do I get into Qantas club rooms and AA Admiral lounges etc etc. Will my AONE4 fare let me in anyway without the status.
Potentially I could do a cheap euro flight in Club Europe so that is two (return flight) and then LHR-MRU an then MRU-JNB, making the 4 on BA but the Australia flights are Qantas and the N.America flights are AA and CX.
Another thing, if I am getting moved from blue to silver and then silver to gold WHILE travelling, how do I get into Qantas club rooms and AA Admiral lounges etc etc. Will my AONE4 fare let me in anyway without the status.
The AONEx ticket is all you need for lounge admission outside of the US; for AA domestic flights, you need OW status, and for that you will have to have your physical card from BA. AA sometimes accepts other proof of status, but basically you need to have your BAEC address functional and the card forwarded to you after it is issued. Or just give up on BAEC.
#59
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It takes a bit of additional planning.
If you are blue and uk you might want to look into moving your address.
Do the flights and tier points accordingly so that you either retain silver early before you go down (which I would advise) or make the flights so you can keep it (what is your exact status?).
You will gain some bonus miles but as you are flying first, you already have all the benefits otherwise - I would calculate this out.
Assuming you start everything as blue. Make sure you hit truely silver. And then have some time before you do your next flights. Adjustmenttime of a week should be okay (or not?)
The next flights then you will be silver and work from a reseted value towards gold (which might be already a reason to retain it now!).
Once you hit gold tier points ahem - I actually do not know if it resets again to zero? help here please.
In the meantime I would also calculate the smaller hops with good tp for getting status on BA and have a look at using the same flights for gaining status with AA - you might get more redeemable miles out of it and just need some special attention at the airport as in registration with silver/ gold by ba but crediting it towards AA.
If you are blue and uk you might want to look into moving your address.

Do the flights and tier points accordingly so that you either retain silver early before you go down (which I would advise) or make the flights so you can keep it (what is your exact status?).
You will gain some bonus miles but as you are flying first, you already have all the benefits otherwise - I would calculate this out.
Assuming you start everything as blue. Make sure you hit truely silver. And then have some time before you do your next flights. Adjustmenttime of a week should be okay (or not?)
The next flights then you will be silver and work from a reseted value towards gold (which might be already a reason to retain it now!).
Once you hit gold tier points ahem - I actually do not know if it resets again to zero? help here please.
In the meantime I would also calculate the smaller hops with good tp for getting status on BA and have a look at using the same flights for gaining status with AA - you might get more redeemable miles out of it and just need some special attention at the airport as in registration with silver/ gold by ba but crediting it towards AA.


