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ANstar Dec 11, 2006 12:44 pm


Originally Posted by Dave Noble (Post 6829833)
The ones I have booked at the moment have about 10 rows. I was in 1A, when this all changed I was auto moved to 1F and I then just moved it to 3C.

Dave

Same here Dave - This happened on about 3 of my flights.

For my Y flights I have been able to get row 9 on the 320 and 8 on the 319

Dave Noble Dec 11, 2006 12:50 pm


Originally Posted by Traveloguy (Post 6829803)
I do have to question why you seem happy that OW Emerald, OW Sapphires all seem to have the same access as BA Blue. Personally I think that if you bother to fly the alliance as much as some of us do, you should have better access to seating than a BA Blue, especially considering it is a defined benefit of the OW alliance.

Under the old scheme, Emeralds had access to some seats in CE that Sapphires et al never did. There is nothing in the OW scheme that says that Emeralds should get better seating than Sapphire ( QF doesn't offer better seating to Emeralds over Sapphire )

You are being very disingenuous about non status members. Except for those who are travelling using a corporate deal with BA, non status members can only pre-select seats when travelling in First, J/C/W or Y classes. It makes perfect sense to me for BA to offer this benefit to this set of passengers.



Most people will not be able to pre-select a seat until check in opens (e.g. a non status person on a DONE4 has no pre-seating access) . To me , this comes overall as a benefit for status passengers and full fare passengers to me.

Dave

Traveloguy Dec 11, 2006 1:09 pm


Originally Posted by Dave Noble (Post 6829899)
Under the old scheme, Emeralds had access to some seats in CE that Sapphires et al never did. There is nothing in the OW scheme that says that Emeralds should get better seating than Sapphire ( QF doesn't offer better seating to Emeralds over Sapphire )

You are being very disingenuous about non status members. Except for those who are travelling using a corporate deal with BA, non status members can only pre-select seats when travelling in First, J/C/W or Y classes. It makes perfect sense to me for BA to offer this benefit to this set of passengers.

Have you actually read and understood this thread? :confused:

Emeralds and Sapphires now have NO better access to seats than a non-status member. This thread is also not discussing the difference of Sapphire vs an Emerald seating. This thread is discussing the removal of this benefit completely.

Could I suggest in future you post something of value to the debate as I think thus far you seem to be missing the point of this thread. :)

Dave Noble Dec 11, 2006 1:20 pm


Originally Posted by Traveloguy (Post 6830023)
Have you actually read and understood this thread? :confused:

Emeralds and Sapphires now have NO better access to seats than a non-status member. My thread is also not discussing the difference of Sapphire vs an Emerald seating. This thread is discussing the removal of this benefit completely.

Could I suggest in future you post something of value to the debate as I think thus far you seem to be missing the point of this thread. :)

A no status member has NO pre seating facility (except for those in 1st, J/C/W/Y and those with corporate deals )

How can you argue that Emeralds and Sapphires have no better access to seats than someone who cannot access them at all

A non status member travelling on a DONE4 cannot pre select any seat , whilst you can choose from nearly all seats

Dave

Traveloguy Dec 11, 2006 1:22 pm


Originally Posted by Dave Noble (Post 6830111)
A no status member has NO pre seating facility (except for those in 1st, J/C/W/Y and those with corporate deals )

How can you argue that Emeralds and Sapphires have no better access to seats than someone who cannot access them at all

Dave

They DO have the ability to select a seat at time of booking (although this is not using BA.con).

When can we get a head banging on wall smiley? :(

virtualtroy Dec 11, 2006 1:24 pm

Come on guy this is becoming a little personal....

Dave Noble Dec 11, 2006 1:33 pm


Originally Posted by Traveloguy (Post 6830124)
They DO have the ability to select a seat at time of booking (although this is not using BA.con).

Assuming they finish sorting out any seating map issues, then a non status member will have no access to pre-select whilst Sapphire/Emeralds can according to the policy. This policy is a definite plus to me as a person with status. All I may have lost is access to a cpl of AC seats in CE, but that really has zero concern to me. With many people no longer being able to select seats at all under the policy, it seems overall positive

They could definately have made a better job at implementing this policy

Dave

og Dec 11, 2006 2:22 pm


Originally Posted by AN_Boy (Post 6829824)
Here Here....

Well I have been booted out of all my CE flights and moved to the EF side form having AC reserved. I'm Sapphire and my partner Emerald... So I'm not too happy with the changes........All in all I'm not that happy with the changes.

Exactly what I posted above - except that we are both QF WPs (OWE status). I don't like row 1 as I don't like looking at a bulkhead and having less leg stretch out room. The second row is my preference (and what I had previously selected).

BA can't use the line "you should be a BA EC gold member" as they booted out all Oz based EC members over to the QF program. Therefore QF WPs should have the same status options as their cousins in the BA program.

jkirsch Dec 11, 2006 4:23 pm

I contacted OW recently concerning BA's policy change and got the following response. Looks like its just taking BA a little while to get the system all worked out.


Dear jkirsch,

Thank you for your interest in oneworld. I understand that there has not been any clear information regarding oneworld Emerald and Sapphire members flying on BA flights. oneworld Emerald and Sapphire members should still have the same benefits regarding preferential seating at time of booking as BA Executive Club Elite flyers. We are also concerned about this issue but understand that BA staff and systems are still going thru a transition period and maybe not be fully functional for OW Emeralds and Sapphires. We are looking into these issues. If you are still having problems as an Elite Flyer, please let us know so that we can help solve any confusions.

Thank you,
Brian
oneworld webmaster

Dave Noble Dec 11, 2006 4:51 pm

Based on that email reply, it seems that the current problems are transient and that the policy will bring rows 1 and 2 back in CE for OW Emeralds once they have sorted out this fiasco of an implementation.

Dave

Gardyloo Dec 11, 2006 4:53 pm


Originally Posted by Dave Noble (Post 6831547)
Based on that email reply, it seems that the current problems are transient and that the policy will bring rows 1 and 2 back in CE for OW Emeralds once they have sorted out this fiasco of an implementation.

Dave

Or, it being BA (cf. interline baggage transfers through LHR) maybe not.

Traveloguy Dec 13, 2006 7:00 am

FWIW, I received the following e-mail from OW:


Originally Posted by OW
Dear Mr Traveloguy,

We are currently clarifying our preferred seating policy with all oneworld carriers and will have further communication shortly.

Regards,

XXXX XXXXXXXXXX
Manager Consumer Fare products / Frequent Flyer Programmes

oneworld Alliance
Suite 980 355 Burrard Street | Vancouver, BC | V6C 2G8 | Canada

Sounds like something at least is happening behind the scenes.

nbevan Dec 19, 2006 10:03 am

BA Shorthaul economy
 
I have bookings on BA in Eurotraveller, and despite having my OneWorld Emerald FF number in the booking I get the message "Seat choice available at check in". The is in contrary to the stated policy "Gold and Silver Executive Club members, oneworld equivalents, can choose their seat at the time of booking and change at any time until they have checked in."

The BA Executive Club desk said that the system does not recognize my FF number as elite.

I could not make out from previous posts whether anyone else had had success with seat allocation for BA European economy class bookings?

LRD Dec 19, 2006 10:10 am


Originally Posted by nbevan (Post 6871771)
I could not make out from previous posts whether anyone else had had success with seat allocation for BA European economy class bookings?

I can select seats, but only aft of the exit rows. :td:

nbevan Dec 19, 2006 10:26 am


Originally Posted by LRD (Post 6871824)
I can select seats, but only aft of the exit rows. :td:

Which system did you make your booking on? My travel agent made my booking, and I had to enter my own FF number using MMB on ba.com.

Maybe you made your booking on aa.com, and it transferred your status across?


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