*ONE* Fuel Surcharges
Aug 19, 2006 | 5:13 am
#31
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Originally Posted by JohnAx
...is their rate desk going to apply AA fuel surcharges to all the remaining segments, even those not operated by AA?...
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69N COLLECT FUEL SURCHARGES AS FOLLOWS: 70N . 71N ------------------------------------------------------ 72N I AA TRANSATLANTIC I 65.00USD I 73N I FLIGHTS EXCEPT ORD-DEL I I 74N ------------------------------------------------------ 75N I AA NON-STOP ORD-DEL I 135.00USD I 76N ------------------------------------------------------ 77N I AA TRANSPACIFIC FLIGHTS I 75.00USD I 78N I EXCEPT: I 9000JPY I 79N I TICKETS ORIGINATING IN I I 80N I JAPAN, FOR FLIGHTS I I 81N I BETWEEN JAPAN - US I I 82N ------------------------------------------------------ 83N I AA NON-STOP/DIRECT I 75.00USD I 84N I FLIGHTS BETWEEN THE US - I I 85N I AR/BR/CL/UY I I 86N ------------------------------------------------------
Aug 19, 2006 | 8:13 am
#32
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Originally Posted by Viajero
AA flights only:
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69N COLLECT FUEL SURCHARGES AS FOLLOWS: 70N . 71N ------------------------------------------------------ 72N I AA TRANSATLANTIC I 65.00USD I 73N I FLIGHTS EXCEPT ORD-DEL I I 74N ------------------------------------------------------ 75N I AA NON-STOP ORD-DEL I 135.00USD I 76N ------------------------------------------------------ 77N I AA TRANSPACIFIC FLIGHTS I 75.00USD I 78N I EXCEPT: I 9000JPY I 79N I TICKETS ORIGINATING IN I I 80N I JAPAN, FOR FLIGHTS I I 81N I BETWEEN JAPAN - US I I 82N ------------------------------------------------------ 83N I AA NON-STOP/DIRECT I 75.00USD I 84N I FLIGHTS BETWEEN THE US - I I 85N I AR/BR/CL/UY I I 86N ------------------------------------------------------
Aug 19, 2006 | 3:46 pm
#33
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Originally Posted by JohnAx
That is Alice-in-Wonderland insane! If you reissue with AA, for a hypothetical, is their rate desk going to apply AA fuel surcharges to all the remaining segments, even those not operated by AA? If during the original issue you already paid a higher fuel surcharge, will you earn a refund during the reissue? If you now pay an AA surcharge for a QF leg, will the Qantas agent collect the difference when you check in? Or simply demand the full amount for that segment?
In regards to the question of check in; if you have an AA issued ticket and check in for a Qantas flight , there is no problem at all. Remember fuel fines are not part of the fare.
If AA charges you $75 fine for a QF flight, they do not pass this on to QF, they do keep it themself. If QF charges AUD185 for a BA flight, they get to keep that $185 for themself
The best approach is just to get any tickets issued or reissued by airlines with low fines
Dave
Aug 19, 2006 | 4:02 pm
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Originally Posted by Dave Noble
The best approach is just to get any tickets issued or reissued by airlines with low fines
Aug 19, 2006 | 4:06 pm
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Originally Posted by milksheikh
My RTW plan includes flights such as BA LON-PEK ($65 fuel per BA), CX HKG-KHI-HKG-AKL ($185.10 per CX), and QF AKL-ADL ($43+ per QF). So if I have AA ticket it, I won't have to pay any of these as none are "transatlantic" nor "transpacific"?
Dave
Aug 19, 2006 | 5:55 pm
#36
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Originally Posted by Dave Noble
Correct. AA charges for transpacific and transatlantic sectors only; you won't be getting fines for the other sectors
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Aug 20, 2006 | 3:32 pm
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Originally Posted by JohnAx
I repeat: that's a totally insane way to run an airline alliance (given the implication that Qantas will in fact not charge a passenger their unpaid fuel surcharge when they check in for a QF flight.)
As for there being no additional fuel surchage collection upon check-in, I can confirm that this is indeed the case. Having an e-ticket issued by AA is now a big plus, as it is also easy to change via the AA RTW desk.
Aug 20, 2006 | 4:04 pm
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Originally Posted by JohnAx
I repeat: that's a totally insane way to run an airline alliance (given the implication that Qantas will in fact not charge a passenger their unpaid fuel surcharge when they check in for a QF flight.)
If you have a validly issued ticket, then you are entitled to check in for the flight and travel.
If you have a ticket that needs to be reissued by Qantas, then Qantas will assess the fuel surcharges based on their formulae. They may also charge a service fee for doing it ( In Australia the cost is AUD75 ). Each airline in the alliance has its own calculation for fuel surcharges. AA has a surcharge for transpacific and transatlantic sectors and adds it to the base fare and charges nothing else; that is its perogative
Note: the fuel surcharges levied are not passed to the operating carrier but kept by the issuing carrier.
These are 2 completely separate issues and I fail to see how it is insane. The issue can be avoided by carefully choosing which carrier you get to reissue a ticket
Dave
Aug 31, 2006 | 6:50 am
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My AONE5 ex-MRU with 20 segments has come back with the following fuel surcharges:
YR - MRU4987
YQ - MRU23310
So in total, around US$870! From reading this thread, I guess this sounds about right? The remainder of the taxes/fees come out to a normal amount - about US$400.
Incidentally, does anyone know the difference between YR and YQ?
YR - MRU4987
YQ - MRU23310
So in total, around US$870! From reading this thread, I guess this sounds about right? The remainder of the taxes/fees come out to a normal amount - about US$400.
Incidentally, does anyone know the difference between YR and YQ?
Aug 31, 2006 | 8:50 am
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Originally Posted by JSD
Incidentally, does anyone know the difference between YR and YQ?
Aug 31, 2006 | 9:00 am
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Originally Posted by JSD
...Incidentally, does anyone know the difference between YR and YQ?
Aug 31, 2006 | 10:34 am
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On a pricing last week of a DONE4 ex-CMB, I received a list of extra charges which in addition to YQ (LKR31200) and YR (LKR24100) has "YRQ" of LKR12600. I didn't see YRQ in the airline tax list-- do you think maybe they have figured out how to charge taxes on taxes!
Originally Posted by SLF
Not a direct answer to your Q; but YQ shows under AIRLINE/BRITISH AIRWAYS on this; YQ & YR appear under Cathay - I guess it depends on what airlines are in your itin.
Oct 4, 2006 | 1:12 pm
#43
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At last some good news - maybe.
KLM and Air Europa have announced they are lowering their fuel surcharges, due to the recent drop in oil prices.
I propose we keep an eye out in case some OW airlines follow the trend, and report any news here, in case someone is close to ticketing.
Maybe not a huge saving, if any, but hey, better in my pocket than theirs.
I propose we keep an eye out in case some OW airlines follow the trend, and report any news here, in case someone is close to ticketing.
Maybe not a huge saving, if any, but hey, better in my pocket than theirs.