*ONE* Fuel Surcharges
Aug 16, 2006 | 1:03 pm
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Originally Posted by NealScoones
In setting up my LONE3, I have a number of connections where I am not planning on actually stopping (e.g. DPS-HKG-BOM).
Would the taxes and airport fees be less if I had them ticket these as connections (Xs) rather than destinations (Os)? What if it's one of those long layovers (either all day or overnight) where it can be ticketed as an X but I would leave the airport?
Thanks!
Would the taxes and airport fees be less if I had them ticket these as connections (Xs) rather than destinations (Os)? What if it's one of those long layovers (either all day or overnight) where it can be ticketed as an X but I would leave the airport?
Thanks!
Aug 16, 2006 | 1:17 pm
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Originally Posted by number_6
...and of course you are allowed to leave the airport...
Aug 16, 2006 | 2:40 pm
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Thanks for your thoughts on the extra charges for the AONE5 ex-MRU. I realize that these charges are, in general, not dependent on the ticket price but was just using the % calculation as a guideline. In the QF example quoted by number_6 the maximum extra charge shown was about US$800 (AU$1043) versus my quoted US$1800. Their example was 16 segments, mine is 18-- and almost all mine involve stopovers rather than transits- (as their example seems to imply).
Alternatively, I looked up the fuel surcharges for each segment and it seems that they would account for less than $400 of the $1800. Also I did a segment-by-segment summation of all extra costs (as shown on the ITA pages with itemized costs) and this doesn't add much. Re the credit card surcharge, that seems unlikely because I have not discussed payment details with them. Im hoping I can get a detailed breakout from them.
Alternatively, I looked up the fuel surcharges for each segment and it seems that they would account for less than $400 of the $1800. Also I did a segment-by-segment summation of all extra costs (as shown on the ITA pages with itemized costs) and this doesn't add much. Re the credit card surcharge, that seems unlikely because I have not discussed payment details with them. Im hoping I can get a detailed breakout from them.
Aug 16, 2006 | 3:43 pm
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$1800 does seem high. Mauritius doesn't appear to have a luxury tax (see QF's IATA tax summary) - in some countries this can add a high % to the purchase price.
Aug 16, 2006 | 9:19 pm
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Originally Posted by number_6
Staying in transit does save on taxes (sometimes a lot, e.g. at LHR, and sometimes a little (e.g. most US airports) and of course you are allowed to leave the airport. If you change your travel date and the transit becomes a stopover, you will have to pay the additional tax before you are allowed to board.
Also, changing a transit to a stopover requires reissue doesn't it?
Aug 17, 2006 | 12:21 am
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Originally Posted by Kiwi Flyer
$1800 does seem high. Mauritius doesn't appear to have a luxury tax (see QF's IATA tax summary) - in some countries this can add a high % to the purchase price.
Aug 17, 2006 | 5:02 am
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Originally Posted by NealScoones
In setting up my LONE3, I have a number of connections where I am not planning on actually stopping (e.g. DPS-HKG-BOM).
Would the taxes and airport fees be less if I had them ticket these as connections (Xs) rather than destinations (Os)? What if it's one of those long layovers (either all day or overnight) where it can be ticketed as an X but I would leave the airport?
Thanks!
Would the taxes and airport fees be less if I had them ticket these as connections (Xs) rather than destinations (Os)? What if it's one of those long layovers (either all day or overnight) where it can be ticketed as an X but I would leave the airport?
Thanks!
Last edited by manar; Aug 17, 2006 at 10:26 am
Aug 17, 2006 | 8:34 am
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Originally Posted by MiamiBeach
Does a transit in US airports save anything at all? At least on domestic itineraries it seems that it doesn't make any difference.
Also, changing a transit to a stopover requires reissue doesn't it?
Also, changing a transit to a stopover requires reissue doesn't it?
Aug 17, 2006 | 11:30 am
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Originally Posted by manar
You shouldn't have to pay airport taxes for transit
Aug 17, 2006 | 3:34 pm
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Originally Posted by christep
Yes, but that depends on the definition of "transit". The IATA definition, which most airlines stick to is <24hrs, but each airport has its own. As a previous poster said, in HKG you have to pay tax if your departure is on a different calendar day from your arrival. In principle this could only be a 45 minute transit.
Aug 18, 2006 | 1:45 am
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Originally Posted by Traveloguy
Moral of the story is that QF charge the highest surcharges. Not really any surprise. 
Originally Posted by qantas.com.au
Sydney, 18 August 2006
Qantas said today that, due to continuing record fuel prices, it would increase its international fuel surcharges for tickets issued on or after 31 August 2006.
The Executive General Manager of Qantas, John Borghetti, said that Qantas would also introduce a new four-level system for its surcharges, based on the distance travelled.
"For example, the fuel surcharge for our longest flight from Australia to London will be higher than for a mid-range flight from Australia to Singapore or Hong Kong," he said.
The new surcharges (AUD), for tickets issued on or after 31 August 2006, will be:
Qantas international destinations (from Australia, one-way)
- UK and Europe: New surcharge - $185 Previous surcharge - $98* $196#
- Mainland USA, Canada, South America, South Africa and India: New surcharge - $145 Previous surcharge - $98
- Asia, Pacific, Honolulu: New surcharge - $115 Previous surcharge - $98
- New Zealand: New surcharge - $65 Previous surcharge - $56
* for a direct flight # for a two-sector journey (eg, changing flights at a mid point/stopping over)
Qantas said today that, due to continuing record fuel prices, it would increase its international fuel surcharges for tickets issued on or after 31 August 2006.
The Executive General Manager of Qantas, John Borghetti, said that Qantas would also introduce a new four-level system for its surcharges, based on the distance travelled.
"For example, the fuel surcharge for our longest flight from Australia to London will be higher than for a mid-range flight from Australia to Singapore or Hong Kong," he said.
The new surcharges (AUD), for tickets issued on or after 31 August 2006, will be:
Qantas international destinations (from Australia, one-way)
- UK and Europe: New surcharge - $185 Previous surcharge - $98* $196#
- Mainland USA, Canada, South America, South Africa and India: New surcharge - $145 Previous surcharge - $98
- Asia, Pacific, Honolulu: New surcharge - $115 Previous surcharge - $98
- New Zealand: New surcharge - $65 Previous surcharge - $56
* for a direct flight # for a two-sector journey (eg, changing flights at a mid point/stopping over)
Aug 18, 2006 | 6:40 pm
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I assume that a *ONE* bought before 8/31/06 will lock in the current QF fuel surcharges (even for flights after 8/31/06)? And if it is reissued later, the fuel surcharges may be recalculated at the post-8/31/06 rates?
Speaking of fuel surcharges, some of CX's are a little illogical. According to ITA, taking a direct flight from KHI to HKG (with stop in BKK) has a CX fuel surcharge of ~$61, whereas taking two different flight numbers KHI-BKK and BKK-HKG has a fuel surcharge of ~$15. Same route taken, same air miles flown. The table of CX fuel surcharges linked earlier supports this -- long-haul flights to/from HKG are $61, short-haul to/from HKG are $15, and others are $0, but it somehow doesn't seem fair (if you are flying on the "direct" flight)...
Speaking of fuel surcharges, some of CX's are a little illogical. According to ITA, taking a direct flight from KHI to HKG (with stop in BKK) has a CX fuel surcharge of ~$61, whereas taking two different flight numbers KHI-BKK and BKK-HKG has a fuel surcharge of ~$15. Same route taken, same air miles flown. The table of CX fuel surcharges linked earlier supports this -- long-haul flights to/from HKG are $61, short-haul to/from HKG are $15, and others are $0, but it somehow doesn't seem fair (if you are flying on the "direct" flight)...
Aug 18, 2006 | 7:11 pm
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Originally Posted by milksheikh
I assume that a *ONE* bought before 8/31/06 will lock in the current QF fuel surcharges (even for flights after 8/31/06)? And if it is reissued later, the fuel surcharges may be recalculated at the post-8/31/06 rates?
Speaking of fuel surcharges, some of CX's are a little illogical. According to ITA, taking a direct flight from KHI to HKG (with stop in BKK) has a CX fuel surcharge of ~$61, whereas taking two different flight numbers KHI-BKK and BKK-HKG has a fuel surcharge of ~$15. Same route taken, same air miles flown. The table of CX fuel surcharges linked earlier supports this -- long-haul flights to/from HKG are $61, short-haul to/from HKG are $15, and others are $0, but it somehow doesn't seem fair (if you are flying on the "direct" flight)...
Speaking of fuel surcharges, some of CX's are a little illogical. According to ITA, taking a direct flight from KHI to HKG (with stop in BKK) has a CX fuel surcharge of ~$61, whereas taking two different flight numbers KHI-BKK and BKK-HKG has a fuel surcharge of ~$15. Same route taken, same air miles flown. The table of CX fuel surcharges linked earlier supports this -- long-haul flights to/from HKG are $61, short-haul to/from HKG are $15, and others are $0, but it somehow doesn't seem fair (if you are flying on the "direct" flight)...
As far as fair goes, are fuel surcharges fair anyway?
Dave
Aug 18, 2006 | 11:29 pm
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Originally Posted by Dave Noble
The QF fuel surcharges will only be calculated if you have the ticket reissued by QF. Get it done by another carrier and their fuel surcharges will apply
Dave
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