Rejected itinerary ex IST
#46
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A year ago, CX in BKK were refusing to allow SYD-PER-MEL (2 Trans Cons). This was even though the rules on their desk had YET to include MEL-PER in the banned 2 Trans Cons sectors. I ended up doing SYD-PER-ADL and getting a cheap ADL-SYD.
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Originally Posted by og
A year ago, CX in BKK were refusing to allow SYD-PER-MEL (2 Trans Cons). This was even though the rules on their desk had YET to include MEL-PER in the banned 2 Trans Cons sectors. I ended up doing SYD-PER-ADL and getting a cheap ADL-SYD.
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Originally Posted by JohnAx
CBR remains legal, and is easily driveable from SYD
PER-CBR does not operate on MON
On Tuesday- Saturday QF720 PER-CBR operates at 00:15 and arrives at 06:00 . Aside from the awful schedule, if travelling in business, be aware that it is operated using a 734 so has convertible seats rather than normal domestic business class
On Saturdays and Sundays there is a decent 15:15 departure which arrives at 21:00 operated using a 73H
CBR-PER is better since it has 1 flight each day using a 73H which departs at 19:20 arriving at 22:00
Dave
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Originally Posted by Dave Noble
Indeed it is; there are less flights on the route. I would suggest ( especially if in business class ) that if doing a CBR route to do CBR-PER rather than PER-CBR
PER-CBR does not operate on MON
On Tuesday- Saturday QF720 PER-CBR operates at 00:15 and arrives at 06:00 . Aside from the awful schedule, if travelling in business, be aware that it is operated using a 734 so has convertible seats rather than normal domestic business class
On Saturdays and Sundays there is a decent 15:15 departure which arrives at 21:00 operated using a 73H
CBR-PER is better since it has 1 flight each day using a 73H which departs at 19:20 arriving at 22:00
Dave
PER-CBR does not operate on MON
On Tuesday- Saturday QF720 PER-CBR operates at 00:15 and arrives at 06:00 . Aside from the awful schedule, if travelling in business, be aware that it is operated using a 734 so has convertible seats rather than normal domestic business class
On Saturdays and Sundays there is a decent 15:15 departure which arrives at 21:00 operated using a 73H
CBR-PER is better since it has 1 flight each day using a 73H which departs at 19:20 arriving at 22:00
Dave
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Originally Posted by JohnAx
Convertible seats sounds like a Good Thing, although maybe that just proves that I don't know exactly what they convert into. I'm imagining something akin to a bed.
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Originally Posted by JohnAx
Convertible seats sounds like a Good Thing, although maybe that just proves that I don't know exactly what they convert into. I'm imagining something akin to a bed.
the 3-3 economy layout changes to a 2-2 business layout
The seat area is slightly wider and you get a larger armrest, but seating wise they are the same seats whether sold as economy or business
on a QF 734 , I would never bother going for business class
Dave
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Originally Posted by Dave Noble
You have a good imagination
the 3-3 economy layout changes to a 2-2 business layout
The seat area is slightly wider and you get a larger armrest, but seating wise they are the same seats whether sold as economy or business
on a QF 734 , I would never bother going for business class
Dave
the 3-3 economy layout changes to a 2-2 business layout
The seat area is slightly wider and you get a larger armrest, but seating wise they are the same seats whether sold as economy or business
on a QF 734 , I would never bother going for business class
Dave
Here as a seat map: Variable Configuration
The back of the middle seat comes in three sections across; the outer of these are connected to their adjoining seat when in business configuation and act as part of the outer seats' backrests. When in WH, these three sections lock together to form the backrest for the middle seat.
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Originally Posted by Yachty
(AUSTRALIA / PACIFIC)
AKL-MEL-PER-BNE-DRW-
AKL-MEL-PER-BNE-DRW-
There is AKL-ADL and then add ADL-PER-BNE. But that means missing MEL.
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Finally got a response from BA Turkey (Bremen) on my DONE5 which had been prebooked with BA RTW USA:
So not only are they trying to charge me the USA fare (they are saying it needs to be booked in Turkey, not in the US). But the fare is now EUR1000 more than on WearyBizTrvlr's spreadsheet! Back to square 1 for me...
Code:
DEAR MR MIAMIBEACH
THE ROUND THE WORLD FARE FOR A DONE5 FROM TURKEY
IS EUR 5999.00 PLUS TAXES. AS YOUR BOOKING IS
MADE IN THE USA WE HAVE TO COLLECT THE FARE FROM
THE USA 9200.00 USD PLUS TAXES.
SINCERELY BRITISH AIRWAYS TURKEY
THANK YOU FOR CHOOSING BA
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Originally Posted by MiamiBeach
Finally got a response from BA Turkey (Bremen) on my DONE5 which had been prebooked with BA RTW USA:
So not only are they trying to charge me the USA fare (they are saying it needs to be booked in Turkey, not in the US). But the fare is now EUR1000 more than on WearyBizTrvlr's spreadsheet! Back to square 1 for me...
Code:
DEAR MR MIAMIBEACH
THE ROUND THE WORLD FARE FOR A DONE5 FROM TURKEY
IS EUR 5999.00 PLUS TAXES. AS YOUR BOOKING IS
MADE IN THE USA WE HAVE TO COLLECT THE FARE FROM
THE USA 9200.00 USD PLUS TAXES.
SINCERELY BRITISH AIRWAYS TURKEY
THANK YOU FOR CHOOSING BA
#57
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Originally Posted by JohnAx
Sounds like BA at least is finally enforcing the SITI rules..
Last edited by Viajero; Apr 21, 2006 at 8:05 am
#58


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Originally Posted by Viajero
Me thinks it's more a case of an agent talking through his/her hat. Bremen is not Turkey either so by that 'rule' one would have to say there is no way to book an ex-IST OWE, at ex-IST price, thorugh BA. For that matter nor should I be able to book an ex-MAD OWE/Price either, since the AA RTW desk is in the US and AA 'Madrid' is in Mexico.
The point of all those fares is clear: to buy a ticket at the Turkish price, you're supposed to be sitting in your apartment in Istanbul, with a wallet full of Turkish currency (there is/was a currency-of-payment rule). The fact that BA choses to pick up your call in Bremen or Mexico City is their business. After the call and the arrangements, a BA agent or proxy (at IST these days) will run your Turkish credit card and hand you your tickets.
Anything more generous than that is a gift from OW. Right, OWE wizards?
The OP's next step is to cancel the res made so conveniently with BA/Canada and try booking it directly through the IST/Bremen line. I can't guess if he has to hoodwink them by not giving them an excuse to know he's communicating from the US, or if he can be up front about it. A cautious approach might be to have an unrelated friend call Bremen and ask if they'll take an itin and price it ex-IST, and accept payment with a U.S. credit card.
If BA and the others go forward with playing by their rules, then as I said the search is on for qualified TA's in cheap cities. The agent is of course "your agent", acting for you as if you were standing in his office, afaik. Not that I'm having any luck getting hold of one in Damascus, of course.
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Originally Posted by JohnAx
I think the rules are quite clear, but we've been spoiled because they haven't been enforced. Now enough people are taking advantage of the fare variations that it's gotten a little notice at BA revenue management.
The point of all those fares is clear: to buy a ticket at the Turkish price, you're supposed to be sitting in your apartment in Istanbul, with a wallet full of Turkish currency (there is/was a currency-of-payment rule). The fact that BA choses to pick up your call in Bremen or Mexico City is their business. After the call and the arrangements, a BA agent or proxy (at IST these days) will run your Turkish credit card and hand you your tickets.
Anything more generous than that is a gift from OW. Right, OWE wizards?
The OP's next step is to cancel the res made so conveniently with BA/Canada and try booking it directly through the IST/Bremen line. I can't guess if he has to hoodwink them by not giving them an excuse to know he's communicating from the US, or if he can be up front about it. A cautious approach might be to have an unrelated friend call Bremen and ask if they'll take an itin and price it ex-IST, and accept payment with a U.S. credit card.
If BA and the others go forward with playing by their rules, then as I said the search is on for qualified TA's in cheap cities. The agent is of course "your agent", acting for you as if you were standing in his office, afaik. Not that I'm having any luck getting hold of one in Damascus, of course.
The point of all those fares is clear: to buy a ticket at the Turkish price, you're supposed to be sitting in your apartment in Istanbul, with a wallet full of Turkish currency (there is/was a currency-of-payment rule). The fact that BA choses to pick up your call in Bremen or Mexico City is their business. After the call and the arrangements, a BA agent or proxy (at IST these days) will run your Turkish credit card and hand you your tickets.
Anything more generous than that is a gift from OW. Right, OWE wizards?
The OP's next step is to cancel the res made so conveniently with BA/Canada and try booking it directly through the IST/Bremen line. I can't guess if he has to hoodwink them by not giving them an excuse to know he's communicating from the US, or if he can be up front about it. A cautious approach might be to have an unrelated friend call Bremen and ask if they'll take an itin and price it ex-IST, and accept payment with a U.S. credit card.
If BA and the others go forward with playing by their rules, then as I said the search is on for qualified TA's in cheap cities. The agent is of course "your agent", acting for you as if you were standing in his office, afaik. Not that I'm having any luck getting hold of one in Damascus, of course.
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Well a couple of observations -
- The fares do go up, and "bargain" origin points change from one year to the next. One must still get to the origin points so while IST may have been cheaper than, say, ARN for OWE issues, one can get to Sweden from various places more cheaply than Turkey.
- All it takes is for somebody who speaks Turkish and who has an Istanbul yellow pages to find a competent TA in Istanbul, someone like the Cairo or Bangkok agents who have profited by knowledge of this niche market. Ditto Damascus or wherever.
- Let's see what the bottom line is re surcharges and taxes after this year's fare increases. The "second sticker" has been growing faster than the base price.
- While 5999 sounds like a lot, think of it as 20 business class tickets at 300 each. Some flights (say, MCI-DFW) would be losers for that, but HKG-JFK or JNB-SYD for 300 Euros? Bring it on. May lead to more judicious use of segments.
- BA's RTW people in N. America and Bremen, it seems, don't know "booking" from "ticketing." So vat else iss new?
- The fares do go up, and "bargain" origin points change from one year to the next. One must still get to the origin points so while IST may have been cheaper than, say, ARN for OWE issues, one can get to Sweden from various places more cheaply than Turkey.
- All it takes is for somebody who speaks Turkish and who has an Istanbul yellow pages to find a competent TA in Istanbul, someone like the Cairo or Bangkok agents who have profited by knowledge of this niche market. Ditto Damascus or wherever.
- Let's see what the bottom line is re surcharges and taxes after this year's fare increases. The "second sticker" has been growing faster than the base price.
- While 5999 sounds like a lot, think of it as 20 business class tickets at 300 each. Some flights (say, MCI-DFW) would be losers for that, but HKG-JFK or JNB-SYD for 300 Euros? Bring it on. May lead to more judicious use of segments.
- BA's RTW people in N. America and Bremen, it seems, don't know "booking" from "ticketing." So vat else iss new?

