"Surface" travel IST-DXB
Apr 14, 2005 | 5:29 pm
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"Surface" travel IST-DXB
Hello,
preparing my second AONE4, I am stuck with the following problem : I want to travel between IST & DXB on SQ ; for OWE purposes, it is a surface segment.
1) Is it allowed? (the star files mention surface permitted within the Middle East but not between Europe & ME).
2) If it is, is it deducted from the total segment count of 20?
TIA,
P
preparing my second AONE4, I am stuck with the following problem : I want to travel between IST & DXB on SQ ; for OWE purposes, it is a surface segment.
1) Is it allowed? (the star files mention surface permitted within the Middle East but not between Europe & ME).
2) If it is, is it deducted from the total segment count of 20?
TIA,
P
Apr 14, 2005 | 5:57 pm
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Originally Posted by preimroc
Hello,
preparing my second AONE4, I am stuck with the following problem : I want to travel between IST & DXB on SQ ; for OWE purposes, it is a surface segment.
1) Is it allowed? (the star files mention surface permitted within the Middle East but not between Europe & ME).
2) If it is, is it deducted from the total segment count of 20?
TIA,
P
preparing my second AONE4, I am stuck with the following problem : I want to travel between IST & DXB on SQ ; for OWE purposes, it is a surface segment.
1) Is it allowed? (the star files mention surface permitted within the Middle East but not between Europe & ME).
2) If it is, is it deducted from the total segment count of 20?
TIA,
P
149N STOPOVERS
150N ----------
151N .
152N . 1. A STOPOVER IS A BREAK OF JOURNEY OVER 24 HOURS.
153N . 2. STOPOVER PERMITTED ANYWHERE.
154N . 3. MAXIMUM 2 STOPOVERS PERMITTED IN THE CONTINENT
155N . OF ORIGIN.
150N ----------
151N .
152N . 1. A STOPOVER IS A BREAK OF JOURNEY OVER 24 HOURS.
153N . 2. STOPOVER PERMITTED ANYWHERE.
154N . 3. MAXIMUM 2 STOPOVERS PERMITTED IN THE CONTINENT
155N . OF ORIGIN.
110N . 4. ORIGIN-DESTINATION SURFACE PERMITTED:
111N . -WITHIN COUNTRY OF ORIGIN.-BETWEEN U.S.A-CANADA
112N . -WITHIN AFRICA
113N . -WITHIN THE MIDDLE EAST
114N . -BETWEEN HKG-CHINA
115N . -BETWEEN BANGLADESH-BKK/SIN
116N . -WITHIN SOUTH AMERICA
117N . -BETWEEN MAYLAYSIA-SIN
111N . -WITHIN COUNTRY OF ORIGIN.-BETWEEN U.S.A-CANADA
112N . -WITHIN AFRICA
113N . -WITHIN THE MIDDLE EAST
114N . -BETWEEN HKG-CHINA
115N . -BETWEEN BANGLADESH-BKK/SIN
116N . -WITHIN SOUTH AMERICA
117N . -BETWEEN MAYLAYSIA-SIN
Last edited by jerry a. laska; Apr 14, 2005 at 6:46 pm
Apr 15, 2005 | 12:05 am
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Originally Posted by jerry a. laska
...snip...The reference in the starfiles is about ending your OWE - origin to destination surface is permitted in the middle east...
Apr 15, 2005 | 12:36 am
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Originally Posted by JohnAx
Are you really suggesting that one can have an open jaw as the "last segment" of an OWE, within the regions listed in your posting? That would mean that as a practical matter one could begin in JNB and end in NBO, or begin in IST and end in BAH, and I didn't think we had that kind of freedom.
Apr 15, 2005 | 5:47 am
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Originally Posted by JohnAx
...That would mean that as a practical matter one could... begin in IST and end in BAH...
Apr 15, 2005 | 9:07 am
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Originally Posted by WearyBizTrvlr
...snip...And even if you start in CAI, going back there is attractive just to start the next one. You could start in CAI, end in DXB.
In Africa, starting in Zim and ending some place nearer civilization e.g. NBO might be useful to someone, although I don't see the allure of it.
Apr 15, 2005 | 10:27 am
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Originally Posted by JohnAx
...CAI is part of "Europe"...
Edited to add: therefore to start in CAI and end in BAH would be allowed, as both are part of "Middle East".
Last edited by Viajero; Apr 15, 2005 at 10:53 am
Apr 15, 2005 | 10:31 am
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Originally Posted by JohnAx
Are you really suggesting that one can have an open jaw as the "last segment" of an OWE, within the regions listed in your posting? That would mean that as a practical matter one could begin in JNB and end in NBO, or begin in IST and end in BAH, and I didn't think we had that kind of freedom.
Apr 15, 2005 | 2:00 pm
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Also, start anywhere in South America and finish anywhere in South America. But the prices are the same as US so few people select this choice. Africa is enticing since Djibouti is the cheapest 1st class origination point, but you can end in NBO/JNB/CPT, etc.