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SLF Apr 12, 2011 1:39 am

QF 744s on SYD-NRT & SIN-FRA routes now show "jpy" (no F)
BA E70 & E90 are now "jy" (all routes)
KA 773 is now "fjy" (all routes)

The Great Circle map no longer has a "Click here to open in a separate window" message. Just click on the GC map to do this now.

New feature - create your own customized oneworld route map - when using the "OWE Planner" section, enter an airport in the "From" location and hit "Go". The GCMap shows all the destinations served from that location. Works with the distance/To modifiers also, but not yet with the cabin selection (e.g. only F) - that will come but I need to rewrite the code a little. Useful for working out where you can fly from a location, when you don't know all the airport codes.

vecta Apr 14, 2011 1:54 am

Just noticed the link to the xONEx rules .pdf at the bottom of the page is outdated.

Correct link is:


SLF Apr 14, 2011 6:31 am


Originally Posted by vecta (Post 16215704)
Just noticed the link to the xONEx rules .pdf at the bottom of the page is outdated.

Correct link is:

Thanks - this will be corrected next time I upload.

SLF Apr 24, 2011 4:09 am


Originally Posted by SLF (Post 16202955)
New feature - create your own customized oneworld route map - when using the "OWE Planner" section, enter an airport in the "From" location and hit "Go". The GCMap shows all the destinations served from that location. Works with the distance/To modifiers also, but not yet with the cabin selection (e.g. only F) - that will come but I need to rewrite the code a little. Useful for working out where you can fly from a location, when you don't know all the airport codes.

I'd be interested to know if this is useful. It's been quite handy for me recently; e.g. to work out where I can get to from any London airport (enter "LON") to Italy (enter "it") - up come all the routes on a map from LHR & LGW the Italian cities served. You can use any country code and also the OW region codes (prefix these with a "~", viz. ~nam ~sam ~eur ~afr ~asa ~swp). Another interesting map is BCN to ~eur

Note also I've moved the URL and set up some redirects - hopefully any access will now end up at the URL shown in my signature now. I've noticed a "%2C" problem with URLs, it's fairly easy to change the "%2C" to a comma "," and then all works OK.

Previously the URLs had a version number in them (e.g. 0.95024), I want to simplify this and make it easier to use - the new URL (with "mm" in it) is intended to remain fixed when MM is updated.

SLF Apr 24, 2011 11:54 pm

Now on Twitter

BrewerSEA Apr 25, 2011 10:55 am


Originally Posted by SLF (Post 16274860)
Now on Twitter

followed ;)

SLF Apr 30, 2011 10:39 am


Originally Posted by SLF (Post 16202955)
Works with the distance/To modifiers also, but not yet with the cabin selection (e.g. only F) - that will come but I need to rewrite the code a little. Useful for working out where you can fly from a location, when you don't know all the airport codes.

This is now fixed. The Great Circle map now observes the setting of the cabins button, so it's quite easy to determine the routes served out of (e.g.) HKG where a First class cabin is available. 0.95025 also includes updates to the flight database, plus a few other enhancements (see the change log).

Himeno Apr 30, 2011 6:12 pm

Just put in my plans for later in the year, one sector, ATL-ORD, shows as only Y (AA CR7). AA is installing first class on their CR7s. AA website and oneworld booking tool both show the sector I entered as having first class.

SLF May 1, 2011 1:38 am


Originally Posted by Himeno (Post 16307239)
Just put in my plans for later in the year, one sector, ATL-ORD, shows as only Y (AA CR7). AA is installing first class on their CR7s. AA website and oneworld booking tool both show the sector I entered as having first class.

Thanks - updated now.

allset2travel May 1, 2011 3:20 pm

Cx888: Hkg-yvr-jfk
 
SLF,
Great tool! Thanks.

Q: Is the tool showing accurate mileage for CX888? However, when plug in HKG-YVR-JFK, tool counts YVR as one additional segment, hence invalidates an otherwise legit 16-segment RTW itin.

SLF May 1, 2011 3:46 pm


Originally Posted by allset2travel (Post 16310789)
Q: Is the tool showing accurate mileage for CX888? However, when plug in HKG-YVR-JFK, tool counts YVR as one additional segment, hence invalidates an otherwise legit 16-segment RTW itin.

It depends how you define "accurate". I'd expect differences in mileage between actual miles flown, GC miles, and what the various different FF programs may award. MM uses the GC distance, so this may vary a little from what you get credited with in your FF program.

If you are ticketed HKG-JFK (I.e. You are just transiting at YVR) then this is how you need to enter it in MM if you want your route validated. If you are trying to determine how many miles you are credited, then it will depend how your FF program determines the distance; I'd have thought they are more likely to be GC HKG-JFK based than to factor in the stop at YVR.

allset2travel May 2, 2011 11:54 am

Thanks for the clarification.

SLF May 8, 2011 4:30 am

0.95026 posted. Just force a reload to get the new bits.

See change log for details, rule updates added for Australia trans-cons, affected are CBR, BNE, KTA.

MM is now also available on a mirror site, details online.

Mwenenzi May 14, 2011 11:48 pm

AY to start flying HEL-SIN on 30-May-2011
 
http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/onewo...ay-2011-a.html

Originally Posted by pandaperth (Post 16387795)
AY starts flying HEL-SIN on 30-May-2011

So for those of us in the SWP, the quickest way to HEL will be via SIN
but wasn't that always the case;)


SLF May 15, 2011 2:21 am


Originally Posted by Mwenenzi (Post 16387847)

:)

Thanks ... that's up there now with 0.95027

pandaperth May 22, 2011 2:50 am

Hi SLF

been meaning to give you the feedback that I do really like the feature to see what OW flights there are from a given airport/country/continent to an airport/country/continent. Seeing ti visually is much better than the list of to/from airports.

I was playing with the tool and realised that it does not flag violations of rule 4(i)

(i) The same city pairs/sectors cannot be flown more than once in the same direction

SLF May 22, 2011 4:05 am


Originally Posted by pandaperth (Post 16428327)
Hi SLF

been meaning to give you the feedback that I do really like the feature to see what OW flights there are from a given airport/country/continent to an airport/country/continent. Seeing ti visually is much better than the list of to/from airports.

Thanks - it's great to get this feedback! Godod to know it was worth doing!


Originally Posted by pandaperth (Post 16428327)
I was playing with the tool and realised that it does not flag violations of rule 4(i)

Thanks - this is on the issues list. Just need to figure out the best way to do this.

hauteboy Jun 1, 2011 12:35 am


Originally Posted by SLF (Post 16428449)
Thanks - it's great to get this feedback! Godod to know it was worth doing!

Yeah! That's a neat feature, graphically showing all the flights from an airport. Not sure why I didn't think of that one on my original version. :cool:

SLF Jul 16, 2011 6:19 am

0.95028 is released
 
0.95028 is released

Huge update from hauteboy with many fixes done to the award calculation side to bring them up to date. An area I had neglected :( Many thanks for this!

Updated flight data loaded. New destinations: OKI, ROR, CTG, GBE, HLA, MPM, KUT, MRV, NKM. Point-point calculations now work again (accidentally broken at some point). S7 services are now marked as all having business class, an educated guess - better than before when they were all showing as Y only.

SLF Jul 16, 2011 11:46 am

.. and hot on it's heels, we're at 0.95029
 
Now you can Tweet, send to Facebook etc. an itinerary created either from the Point-Point section, or the Oneworld Explorer Validator section.

SLF Sep 18, 2011 1:59 pm

0.95032 is out
 
hauteboy has updated AA,BA & QF award tables; updated flights data also

Note that all releases are notified with Tweets, only some are here.

SLF Sep 24, 2011 3:22 pm


Originally Posted by pandaperth (Post 16428327)
I was playing with the tool and realised that it does not flag violations of rule 4(i)

With the 0.95033 version just released, this is now taken care of. Sorry about the delay.

SLF Oct 9, 2011 1:52 pm

0.95034
 
Updated; 0.95034 is out. TIP & BEN are reachable again, via AMM. Wonder how the fares will work out ;)

BrewerSEA Oct 9, 2011 6:47 pm


Originally Posted by SLF (Post 17245541)
Updated; 0.95034 is out. TIP & BEN are reachable again, via AMM. Wonder how the fares will work out ;)

Disappointingly high!

SLF Dec 29, 2011 1:13 am

0.95037 is out
 
I don't announce all releases here - follow MM on Twitter if you want to see them all.

v0.95037 (2011/12/29):
  • Flight updates - new: BGY,CFE,CMF,FLN,GRJ,PCL,PDV,ZPC old: BRC,FLA
  • Removed LGW-SSH (ended April 2011) and LHR-ICN (used during Japan crisis Q2 2011)
v0.95036 (2011/11/19):
  • Flight updates, Northern Hemisphere winter destinations appearing
  • Relocated HDN (old location wasn't quite accurate)
v0.95035 (2011/11/05):
  • Flight updates, lots of changes
  • Added link to sbm12's RTW Fares Comparison tool
  • Removed links to WBT's RTW data

SLF Mar 25, 2012 5:09 am

0.95040 is available
 

Originally Posted by SLF (Post 17708235)
I don't announce all releases here - follow MM on Twitter if you want to see them all.

v0.95040 (2012/03/25):
  • Flight updates - added Air Berlin. Lots of new destinations; e.g. HRG, LXR in Egypt (mostly Y only), new ways to AMM & TLV, a direct Europe-HKT service and VRA (Cuba). For getting to these, use the "OWE Planner" section with a "From" of "de" (Germany) - it can be a great help working out how to get places (or where you can get from a place) etc. DUS, MUC, FRA, STR, VIE, ZRH, SZG etc. have benefited from much increased frequencies.
  • Much improved cabin predictions for many airlines (based on aircraft type)
  • Moved PMO from US to Italy, it was duplicating PMD which is in US
  • Updated BA earned tier point mapping (it's an approximation based on 2000, 6000, 10500 distances - better ideas welcome!)

Full Score Mar 25, 2012 5:30 pm

Thanks for a terrific tool
 
MM marks the following itinerary as valid, but doesn't it violate the stopover rule by having three stopovers in London?

1: CAI-LHR: 1st of 4 (Europe)
2: LHR-ARN: 2nd of 4 (Europe)
3: ARN-LHR: 3rd of 4 (Europe)
4: LHR-MIA: 1st of 1 (intercontinental entry to North America without immediate transit & departure)
5: MIA-GCM: 1st of 6 (North America)
6: GCM-MIA: 2nd of 6 (North America)
7: MIA-LAX: 1st of 1 (North America Transcon)
*7: MIA-LAX: 3rd of 6 (North America)
8: LAX-SAN: 4th of 6 (North America)
9: SAN-LAX: 5th of 6 (North America)
10: LAX-HKG: 1st of 1 (intercontinental entry to Asia without immediate transit & departure)
11: HKG-SIN: 1st of 4 (Asia)
12: SIN-HKG: 2nd of 4 (Asia)
13: HKG-HND: 3rd of 4 (Asia)
14: HND-HKG: 4th of 4 (Asia)
15: HKG-LHR: intercontinental
16: LHR-DOH: 4th of 4 (Europe)

Sagy Mar 25, 2012 5:39 pm

IIRC, you can go though LHR three times (one stopover and two transits). Without actual flights I don't think that any tool can validate stopovers vs. transits

Gardyloo Mar 25, 2012 6:56 pm


Originally Posted by Full Score (Post 18272119)
MM marks the following itinerary as valid, but doesn't it violate the stopover rule by having three stopovers in London?

1: CAI-LHR: 1st of 4 (Europe)
2: LHR-ARN: 2nd of 4 (Europe)
3: ARN-LHR: 3rd of 4 (Europe)
4: LHR-MIA: 1st of 1 (intercontinental entry to North America without immediate transit & departure)
5: MIA-GCM: 1st of 6 (North America)
6: GCM-MIA: 2nd of 6 (North America)
7: MIA-LAX: 1st of 1 (North America Transcon)
*7: MIA-LAX: 3rd of 6 (North America)
8: LAX-SAN: 4th of 6 (North America)
9: SAN-LAX: 5th of 6 (North America)
10: LAX-HKG: 1st of 1 (intercontinental entry to Asia without immediate transit & departure)
11: HKG-SIN: 1st of 4 (Asia)
12: SIN-HKG: 2nd of 4 (Asia)
13: HKG-HND: 3rd of 4 (Asia)
14: HND-HKG: 4th of 4 (Asia)
15: HKG-LHR: intercontinental
16: LHR-DOH: 4th of 4 (Europe)


Originally Posted by Sagy (Post 18272160)
IIRC, you can go though LHR three times (one stopover and two transits). Without actual flights I don't think that any tool can validate stopovers vs. transits

I'm not aware of any stopover limit with the Oneworld Explorer. The one stop/two transit rule applies, IIRC, to AA's "Oneworld" award (now called the "Explorer" award, to make matters less/more confusing.) The only restriction that applies in the case of the OWE is that you can't fly the same segment twice, and also the rules regarding transiting the point of origin, etc.

Sagy Mar 25, 2012 7:06 pm


Originally Posted by Gardyloo (Post 18272481)
I'm not aware of any stopover limit with the Oneworld Explorer. The one stop/two transit rule applies, IIRC, to AA's "Oneworld" award (now called the "Explorer" award, to make matters less/more confusing.) The only restriction that applies in the case of the OWE is that you can't fly the same segment twice, and also the rules regarding transiting the point of origin, etc.

Thank you, I think that you are right and I got confused with the award routing rules :o.

Full Score Mar 26, 2012 7:49 pm


Originally Posted by Gardyloo (Post 18272481)
I'm not aware of any stopover limit with the Oneworld Explorer.....The only restriction that applies in the case of the OWE is that you can't fly the same segment twice, and also the rules regarding transiting the point of origin, etc.

From the rules:
Maximum two stopovers permitted in the continent of origin of which a maximum of one stopover is permitted in each direction in the country of origin.

In my example, CAI, my starting point, is in the same continent as LHR. Therefore aren't three stops in London disallowed?

Gardyloo Mar 26, 2012 9:34 pm


Originally Posted by Full Score (Post 18279349)
From the rules:
Maximum two stopovers permitted in the continent of origin of which a maximum of one stopover is permitted in each direction in the country of origin.

In my example, CAI, my starting point, is in the same continent as LHR. Therefore aren't three stops in London disallowed?

That's correct; two stopovers (24h+) in the continent of origin. However there are no rules regarding where one can lay over or connect within that continent, nor any rule that you couldn't stop over twice in the same city.

SLF Mar 27, 2012 12:17 am


Originally Posted by Full Score (Post 18279349)
From the rules:
Maximum two stopovers permitted in the continent of origin of which a maximum of one stopover is permitted in each direction in the country of origin.

In my example, CAI, my starting point, is in the same continent as LHR. Therefore aren't three stops in London disallowed?

The key to understanding this is that for the purposes of the xONEx rules, a "stopover" means a gap of >24 hours between flights. In your routing, if you are just transiting LHR, I.e. connecting to the next flight within 24hours of arriving at LHR, then this constitutes a "transit" and not a "stopover".

As MM does not hande dates/times of your flights, it does not know if you are intending transit or stopover at each location.

MM will help you determine the optimal routing, but it has some limitations - e.g. this stopover/transit one, no checking if seats are available on any specific flights, no checking whether a service operates on the days/seasons you are planning. All of these are better done in the next stage of your planning, I.e.by selecting flights and dates in the online OW tool.

kenkido Mar 28, 2012 4:28 am

lol
I am not sure did I do the right thing or not
What I was trying is to arrive in LHR and want a LCY flight to JFK
since it yield me 70 TP extra, however the validator count my inter-London transit as a segment. I would want to know whether it really does count or not in the itinerary. Same thing happened to me in the NRT-HND transits.
please advice

SLF Mar 28, 2012 4:41 am


Originally Posted by kenkido (Post 18287738)
lol
I am not sure did I do the right thing or not
What I was trying is to arrive in LHR and want a LCY flight to JFK
since it yield me 70 TP extra, however the validator count my inter-London transit as a segment. I would want to know whether it really does count or not in the itinerary. Same thing happened to me in the NRT-HND transits.
please advice

Sadly (unless the rules have changed back), surface transits in cities with multiple airports are counted as additional sectors on a xONEx ticket :(

Dr. HFH Apr 1, 2012 10:13 am

I'm considering starting an xONEx at RUH, getting there through LHR on BA 263, then turning immediately and starting the xONEx on 262 returning to LHR. Not technically a transit, I know. Has anyone here ever done this? What was it like? Easy? Any problems?

Full Score Apr 1, 2012 10:50 am


Originally Posted by Dr. HFH (Post 18314020)
I'm considering starting an xONEx at RUH, getting there through LHR on BA 263, then turning immediately and starting the xONEx on 262 returning to LHR. Not technically a transit, I know. Has anyone here ever done this? What was it like? Easy? Any problems?

I've done this twice, but never again. Unlike DOH, DXB and BAH, RUH isn't equipped to deal easily with in transit passengers. They insist that you enter the country via the immigration desk which, of course, is not possible without an entry visa.

Both times I alighted the BA flight and was marched off to an office to speak to an immigration officer. The first time it happened, I explained that I didn't want to enter the country and therefore didn't have a visa, but wished to turn right round to depart on the same aircraft on which I'd arrived. Half an hour later I was in the BA departure lounge.

However, the second time I tried it I was travelling with Mrs Full Score. This was completely different. FIVE army officers got involved, all wielding automatic rifles. My wife was treated as if she came from another planet - they wouldn't recognize her existence. For two hours I pleaded with them - only one spoke English - the BA staff were impotent to do anything, and the immigration officials simply shrugged their shoulders even though I['d explained the reason for starting my RTW at RUH. Eventually, we made the departure lounge with ten minutes to spare. But it was SCARY. I envisaged that we might be held in custody overnight since we had no entry visas and the BA flight is the only one each day.

DON'T DO IT. At the very least, have the proper entry visas - there's just enough time to enter the country and then check-in for the return BA flight - with luck, you can print your boarding pass online before leaving LHR. Or spend a night at the airport hotel. Since RUH is the cheapest AONEx starting point, the extra cost would be negligible and you'll have peace of mind.

jerry a. laska Apr 1, 2012 1:40 pm


Originally Posted by Dr. HFH (Post 18314020)
I'm considering starting an xONEx at RUH, getting there through LHR on BA 263, then turning immediately and starting the xONEx on 262 returning to LHR. Not technically a transit, I know. Has anyone here ever done this? What was it like? Easy? Any problems?

See discussion here:
http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/onewo...-arabia-2.html

Dr. HFH Apr 3, 2012 9:09 am

Anyone ever start one in SAH?

BrewerSEA Apr 8, 2012 6:39 am


Originally Posted by Dr. HFH (Post 18326059)
Anyone ever start one in SAH?

I considered starting my AONE5 in SAH as pricing was pretty much the same as RUH, but decided against it due to the security situation. While I bet the airport is safe, I wouldn't want to risk getting stuck in a country with a significant Al Qaeda presence that is actively targeting American citizens. Additionally, I was worried about possible future immigration headaches with a Yemeni stamp in my passport


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