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SLF Apr 3, 2007 5:52 am


Originally Posted by WearyBizTrvlr (Post 7517619)
The F indicator is a great idea, so many thanks for implementing it. :-: A number of routes seem to have incorrect data. Routes that have F but are not showing right now:

NRT to SIN, SFO, FRA, CDG, GRU.
HKG to SYD, MEL, JNB (depending on how you want to treat seasonal flights)
LHR to CAI, TLV, EWR(?), PHL, MCT, GCM,.

Those are the ones that stood out to me, but I'm sure I've missed a few.

The next request is to have an option for the OWE planner only to show flights with F. :)

Credit again to hauteboy; it was an unfinished project which I've added to. Alas this is really only an approximation - it is based on the aircraft type, and is just intended as a guide. I can override it for specific sectors and have done for the ones you have highlighted (thanks!), plus a few others.

Filtering added to the OWE planner.


Originally Posted by medicus (Post 7517666)
?Small glitch. I'm doing a xONE4 and part of it is DFW-SNA-ORD. These are 1205 & 1726 miles respectively according to Great Circle Mapper, but come up on the mileage monkey as 715 & 124 miles respectively. Am I doing something wrong or is there a glitch.

Thanks - something was wrong ... the coordinates for SNA placed it at DNV. I've moved SNA back to California :) (in the beta version)

sdorling Apr 3, 2007 7:00 am

[QUOTE=WearyBizTrvlr;7517619]
LHR to CAI, TLV, EWR(?), PHL, MCT, GCM,[QUOTE]

EWR has F on all 777 operated services. GCM on the other hand is all 767 and has Y, W & J only.

SLF Apr 3, 2007 10:46 am


Originally Posted by sdorling (Post 7518030)
GCM on the other hand is all 767 and has Y, W & J only.

Corrected, thanks.

piperlance Apr 3, 2007 10:43 pm

Could you check the coordinates for Manila, Philippines? I get 3331 miles from the validator and 3895 from the QF website.

It's a great tool - keep up the good work!

hauteboy Apr 3, 2007 10:53 pm


Originally Posted by SLF (Post 7517582)
NP. Thanks are also due again to hauteboy for the updated flight DB :) :-:

Done, also IGR-AEP.

A request: for any future route additions, if known please can you advise which cabins are available; e.g. fjy, fy, jy, y etc.

Actually all Lan Argentina flights are missing not just IGR.. my old PDF scanner used to ignore XL/4M flights since they weren't valid. I'll update this.

The F/J/Y indicator is trickier; my scanner attempts to determine which classes are available depending on aircraft type. Eg. with BA and QF which operate the same aircraft but F/J depends on route.

SLF Apr 4, 2007 12:19 am


Originally Posted by piperlance (Post 7523402)
Could you check the coordinates for Manila, Philippines? I get 3331 miles from the validator and 3895 from the QF website.

Thanks - this should be fixed now (in the beta version), please check & advise.

SLF Apr 4, 2007 10:26 am


Originally Posted by hauteboy (Post 7523434)
Actually all Lan Argentina flights are missing not just IGR.. my old PDF scanner used to ignore XL/4M flights since they weren't valid. I'll update this.

Thanks hauteboy^ Now loaded into place.

I've moved the beta version into the main folder now. If for some reason you need 0.95010, it is accessible through the "other versions" link.

SLF Apr 13, 2007 5:17 pm

0.95012 is in the beta area
 
Beta version

Due to a challenge ... there is now a new beta version. Comments / testing welcome :)
  • Added rule; if two entries to Asia or N.America occur, check that one is a transit (no intra-continent sectors)
  • When using "link to" function; perform "submit" automatically so that map & validation is done at time of page load
  • For point-point checks, permit more flexible entry (like OWE section) - i.e. whitespace, "//", -xAAA etc.

christep Apr 14, 2007 1:21 am

{sorry - read the thread in the wrong order - moved to discussion in other thread}

Viajero Apr 14, 2007 2:13 pm


Originally Posted by SLF (Post 7578503)
...[*]Added rule; if two entries to Asia or N.America occur, check that one is a transit (no intra-continent sectors)...

This restriction is too strict. AA will allow a transit of more than one stop. Likewise, a transit involving more than one stop in Asia is equally possible.

If the airlines consider it ok, why should we insist it is not?

SLF Apr 14, 2007 2:24 pm


Originally Posted by Viajero (Post 7581941)
This restriction is too strict. AA will allow a transit of more than one stop. Likewise, a transit involving more than one stop in Asia is equally possible.

If the airlines consider it ok, why should we insist it is not?

Per the other thread ( :( ), I changed this to a warning only...so now it flags it as a possible problem, but continues validating and will produce a "valid" itinerary. I'm open to removing the check entirely, if that is the consensus...thanks for the feedback.

serfty Apr 15, 2007 10:30 pm

Another issue; mel-akl-lax-jfk-lhr-hkg-mel-per-mel validates as OK.

Since AUG '05 MEL-PER can now only be done once - it is now included in the Oz Transcon limitation:

i.e. PER-MEL/SYD/BNE-CNS.

Specifically:
Code:

J/WITHIN AUSTRALIA

ONLY ONE NONSTOP/SINGLE PLANE SERVICE FLIGHT
IS PERMITTED BETWEEN THE FOLLOWING POINTS -

 BNE/CNS/SYD/MEL - PER
 MEL/SYD - DRW
 MEL/SYD - BME

EXCEPTION -
1. NO RESTRICTION BETWEEN SYD/MEL-PER FOR
PASSENGERS ORIGINATING IN PER WHEN IN CONJUNCTION
WITH TRAVEL TO/FROM JNB/BOM/SHA/PEK.

2. NO RESTRICTION BETWEEN SYD/MEL-PER FOR
PASSENGERS ORIGINATING IN NEW ZEALAND WHEN
IN CONJUNCTION WITH TRAVEL TO/FROM JNB.


SLF Apr 16, 2007 11:43 am


Originally Posted by serfty (Post 7587610)
Another issue; mel-akl-lax-jfk-lhr-hkg-mel-per-mel validates as OK.

Thanks - that was originally fixed (along with the BME-SYD/MEL and DRW-SYD/MEL restrictions) in 0.95008, but got lost in the major change to 0.95009.

Now working (or not ;)) again: http://slfft.allhyper.com/beta/award...KG-MEL-PER-MEL

Also, if it doesn't have a flight in it's database, instead of terminating the check it will now just highlight that segment as a problem, and carry on (so it's assuming it's database is wrong). Example: http://slfft.allhyper.com/beta/award...AX-HKG-LHR-MIA

vxmike Apr 16, 2007 11:37 pm

Whenever the validator returns a warning (such as using MIA-ANC) the nifty chart at the bottom of the page with a segment/distance/points/class summary doesn't display.

SLF Apr 17, 2007 1:56 am


Originally Posted by vxmike (Post 7593747)
Whenever the validator returns a warning (such as using MIA-ANC) the nifty chart at the bottom of the page with a segment/distance/points/class summary doesn't display.

Fixed, thanks. I also added MIA-ANC. Be sure to force a reload of everything (shift-reload on Firefox) to ensure you get the new versions. Changes are still in the beta version only.

Kiwi Flyer Jun 10, 2007 11:29 pm

Guam is coming up with continent of SWP in the validator. According to IATA, Guam is in Asia.

SLF Jun 11, 2007 12:30 am


Originally Posted by Kiwi Flyer (Post 7882785)
Guam is coming up with continent of SWP in the validator. According to IATA, Guam is in Asia.

Thanks. I'm not sure what is wrong. AFAICT GUM is served by OW only from NRT & KIX. When I use the official ow planner for something like LHR-NRT-GUM-NRT-LAX-LHR, it gives me a Region (Asia) has been re-entered warning for GUM-NRT. Both it and MileageMonkey are OK for a route such as LHR-NRT-GUM,SYD-LAX-LHR. The official OW planner is OK with GUM,SYD but disallows GUM,NRT due to not being in the same region.

My guess (subject to being advised otherwise :)) is that OW treats GUM as being in SWP, regardless of where IATA thinks it is :)

Kiwi Flyer Jun 11, 2007 2:32 pm


Originally Posted by SLF (Post 7882887)
My guess (subject to being advised otherwise :)) is that OW treats GUM as being in SWP, regardless of where IATA thinks it is :)

Dang - it is north of the equator! Has anyone tried or managed to include GUM on a xONEx?

If it really is SWP then that forces a surface segment (like PPT) :(

Kiwi Flyer Jun 21, 2007 8:42 pm

Is it possible for the validator to allow for purchased extra segments?

Mwenenzi Jun 30, 2007 4:18 am

The rules have changed
 
The rules have changed (for the worse). The Explorer rule sheet (file 3015owrulev38_pm mark ups.pdf) on the OneWorld site was updated 30 Jun 06.

From 3015owrulev38 “A minimum of 3 and a maximum of 20 segments, including surface segments, are permitted for the entire journey.”

The including surface segments is new :td:

A thread about this change is here

SLF Jun 30, 2007 8:57 am

0.95013 is in beta
 

Originally Posted by Kiwi Flyer (Post 7940208)
Is it possible for the validator to allow for purchased extra segments?

Yes, sort of :) There is an "ignore errors" check-box now which will permit continued processing despite any errors encountered.

Beta version available for testing here. Please report any issues back to this thread.
  • Added valid/invalid status indicator next for OWE validator section to allow quick determination of status
  • Fixed "link to this itinerary to preserve entered "-x", "-o" values etc.
    Example
  • Streamlined the layout a little, incl. changing "Submit" to "Go!" and "Help" to "?" on buttons
  • Added more information to the help dialogs
  • Added an "Ignore errors" checkbox to the OWE planner to allow further validation to continue even if the validator suspects an error (this could be most useful for itins with additional purchased sectors, and/or if the validator is ever wrong on something it will at least allow results to be obtained
  • Added a "link to this itinerary" feature to the point-point mappings
    Example :)
  • Fix the point-point calculator, which got accidentally broken in 0.95011 ... and no-one noticed!
  • Add a section with some useful links. Other suggestions welcome!

SLF Jun 30, 2007 9:16 am


Originally Posted by Mwenenzi (Post 7981238)
The rules have changed (for the worse). The Explorer rule sheet (file 3015owrulev38_pm mark ups.pdf) on the OneWorld site was updated 30 Jun 06.

From 3015owrulev38 “A minimum of 3 and a maximum of 20 segments, including surface segments, are permitted for the entire journey.”

The including surface segments is new :td:

A thread about this change is here

Thanks. That's now included too in the beta :(

I've added a check-box to "ignore surface sectors", which should be used on tickets issued pre-July 2007. This itinerary uses 5 or 7 coupons, depending on which rules are applied.

I wonder if now that we're forced to use a coupon for a surface sector, whether we can claim f/f miles? :)

Mwenenzi Jun 30, 2007 7:07 pm

Thanks
 

Originally Posted by SLF (Post 7982045)
Thanks. That's now included too in the beta

Thanks for super quick fix. Their is some debate now if open jaw is allowable on *ONE* due to the "including land segments" rule

Will we ever get past beta ;) Rules changing too much

Mwenenzi Jun 30, 2007 7:21 pm

Interesting comment on post 26 of the other thread. Open to interpretation ???


So it sounds like surface segments do not count against the continent limits, only against the total 20? The key phrase being "free flight segments".

emmell Jul 3, 2007 11:12 pm

The most current version of MileageMonkey can be found here.
Older & beta versions can be found here.

Thanks for the tool, but I'm a bit stumped on the calcs used.

syd-lax-las-atl-lga-jfk-lhr-bkk-sin-syd comes up with the correct sector status credits, but the total, 1260, is out by 170 SCs

Am I doing something wrong here?

SLF Jul 3, 2007 11:38 pm


Originally Posted by emmell (Post 8000819)
syd-lax-las-atl-lga-jfk-lhr-bkk-sin-syd comes up with the correct sector status credits, but the total, 1260, is out by 170 SCs

Am I doing something wrong here?

Using the link-to feature, this shows as 1260 - however, it is also flagging services it doesn't believe exists:

3: LAS-ATL: 2nd of 6 (North America)
Error!!! No oneworld service exists LAS-ATL
5: LGA-JFK: 4th of 6 (North America)
Error!!! No oneworld service exists LGA-JFK
Note that it's working on the assumption that you're right & it's wrong (i.e. that the services do exist), so it's proceeding to count them as valid sectors.

Perhaps you wanted to explicitly mark them as surface sectors, like this: http://slfft.allhyper.com/0.95/award...HR-BKK-SIN-SYD

Does that give you the answer you're expecting? If not, can you help me understand the problem better?

Mwenenzi Jul 4, 2007 4:45 am

Tried MEL-AKL-SCL-GIG-GRU-LIM-EZE-LHR-DXB-LHR-KEF-LHR-SIN-NRT-DEL-NRT-HKG-PER-MEL-CNS-MEL
in v0.95012 get
link
10: LHR-KEF: 3rd of 4 (Europe)
Error!!! No oneworld service exists LHR-KEF
11: KEF-LHR: 4th of 4 (Europe)
Error!!! No oneworld service exists KEF-LHR
but lists all 20 segments

In http://slfft.allhyper.com/beta/award.htm
link
10: LHR-KEF: 3rd of 4 (Europe)
Error!!! No oneworld service exists LHR-KEF
even after ticking "Ignore errors (for expert users!)"
Seems to stall after 1st error

LHR-KEF-LHR is in BA's shedule, but not sure if its seasonable or to be dropped along with the other BA routes

Cyba Jul 4, 2007 4:50 am


Originally Posted by Mwenenzi (Post 8001535)
LHR-KEF-LHR is in BA's shedule, but not sure if its seasonable or to be dropped along with the BA routes

BA flies to Reykjavik from LGW, not LHR. That's probably the problem.

SLF Jul 4, 2007 6:55 am


Originally Posted by Mwenenzi (Post 8001535)
link
10: LHR-KEF: 3rd of 4 (Europe)
Error!!! No oneworld service exists LHR-KEF
even after ticking "Ignore errors (for expert users!)"
Seems to stall after 1st error


Originally Posted by Cyba (Post 8001549)
BA flies to Reykjavik from LGW, not LHR. That's probably the problem.

You're both right. MM shouldn't have stopped after that error with the expert mode selected. And BA fly ex-LGW to KEF. If you change LHR in your itin to LON, MM is happy...the $64000 question is can you get it ticketed like that without needing coupons for LGW-LHR & v.v.

Edit: the reported problem should be fixed now in the beta version

SLF Jul 4, 2007 12:05 pm

I've moved 0.95013 out of beta to the main page. If you need an older version, choose it from here. Any bookmarks you have which reference the "beta" version should automatically redirect to the main version. If you don't see 0.95013, try forcing your browser to refresh fully (shift-refresh on Firefox).

Viajero Jul 4, 2007 1:27 pm

SLF, you are doing a lot of good, timely, work to keep this tool up to date and useful. I just wanted to say thank you.

Moomba Jul 4, 2007 1:47 pm


Originally Posted by Viajero (Post 8003710)
SLF, you are doing a lot of good, timely, work to keep this tool up to date and useful. I just wanted to say thank you.

I was thinking of posting a similar message today but got sidetracked.

SLF I would like to add my thanks too for all the effort you have gone to in not only resurrecting this tool, but making some great improvements and keeping it up to date. :-:

Kiwi Flyer Jul 4, 2007 1:50 pm

Thanks SLF from me too ^^^

Gardyloo Jul 4, 2007 2:04 pm

Add another to the chorus of thanks. ^

Rhys1 Jul 4, 2007 6:20 pm

I am trying to validate the following:

SYD-HKG-SIN-BKK,SGN-NRT-SVO-BUD,SOF-LON-CAS,RAK-BCN-BUE-LIM-LPB-SCL-SYD

And I get an error on:

12: RAK-BCN: 4th of 4 (Europe)
Rule violated!!!! [RAK-BCN] Max 1 segment(s): Ghana/Nigeria/Kenya/Uganda/Tanzania transit (second EUR entry?)


Is this actually a valid itinerary? The oneworld tool doesnt have a problem with it and I can't see a problem in the rules.

serfty Jul 4, 2007 6:48 pm


Originally Posted by Rhys1
... Is this actually a valid itinerary? The oneworld tool doesnt have a problem with it and I can't see a problem in the rules.

Hi Rhys1, welcome to FT.

<never mind>

Kiwi Flyer Jul 4, 2007 6:49 pm

Welcome to Flyer Talk Rhys1 :)

Morocco is treated as part of Europe according to xONEx rules, and so allowed on that basis. Perhaps the surface segment (within Morocco) is confusing the validator?

Kiwi Flyer Jul 4, 2007 6:49 pm


Originally Posted by serfty (Post 8004981)
Hi Rhys1, welcome to FT.

The problem is where you are going Europe-Africa-Europe-S/A.

You can only do this if the second Europe is a transit without stopover travelling from Ghana, Nigeria, Kenya, Uganda or Tanzania - Marrakesh is in Morocco.


Originally Posted by xONEx rules effective 15 May 2007
Continents are defined as:
Europe Middle East (including Algeria , Morocco, Tunisia, Egypt, Sudan)


Rhys1 Jul 4, 2007 7:19 pm


Originally Posted by Kiwi Flyer (Post 8004983)
Welcome to Flyer Talk Rhys1 :)

Morocco is treated as part of Europe according to xONEx rules, and so allowed on that basis. Perhaps the surface segment (within Morocco) is confusing the validator?

Thanks :) Been a long time reader.

I have tried without the surface sector and still get the error.

SLF Jul 5, 2007 4:03 am


Originally Posted by Rhys1 (Post 8004902)
I am trying to validate the following:

SYD-HKG-SIN-BKK,SGN-NRT-SVO-BUD,SOF-LON-CAS,RAK-BCN-BUE-LIM-LPB-SCL-SYD

And I get an error on:

12: RAK-BCN: 4th of 4 (Europe)
Rule violated!!!! [RAK-BCN] Max 1 segment(s): Ghana/Nigeria/Kenya/Uganda/Tanzania transit (second EUR entry?)

Thanks - that should be sorted out now. Morocco was being treated as being in Europe, however it was also being treated as being in Africa.

Another welcome to FT :) And thanks for noticing that bug :)


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