Using an AONE3 on QF107
Dec 19, 2006 | 7:32 pm
#16
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I was ticketed on QF JFK-LAX on a First Classs RTW ticket May 2006. I was not allowed to board QF in JFK. BEWARE!
In this case the ticket is not enough to travel. I complained and bargained as much as reasonable in JFK but no luck. AA's RTW rebooked me on AA's glorified economy class via DFW and I caught my original connection to HKG on CX from LAX.
In this case the ticket is not enough to travel. I complained and bargained as much as reasonable in JFK but no luck. AA's RTW rebooked me on AA's glorified economy class via DFW and I caught my original connection to HKG on CX from LAX.
Dec 19, 2006 | 8:22 pm
#17
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I was able to fly QF108 JFK-LAX back in '01 or '02. I wasn't even aware of this potential problem and had no problem flying that segment. I only learned from FT later that it could be a problem with QF.
Just like PaulSEA1, I was on AONE4 JFK-QF-LAX-CX-HKG.
Dec 19, 2006 | 11:07 pm
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Quite a good thread started by PaulSEA1on this here: Caution Qantas JFK-LAX: Denied boarding.
Dec 20, 2006 | 12:15 am
#19
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I seem to recall a footnote for the LAX-JFK and JFK-LAX flights in the QANTAS timetable (when they had a printed timetable) that said "International online stopover/connection only" so it has been the rule since the flight commenced but not necessarily enforced. I had it ticketed on a RTW and flew it several years ago but knew that I could have been denied boarding.
Dec 20, 2006 | 12:44 am
#20
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Despite the fare rules, I'm pretty sure that flying QF JFK-LAX and then flying another carrier LAX-XYZ violates the rules of cabotage. It *might* be legal if you were booked on a codeshare -- for example, if CX codeshared on the QF flight and then you flew CX onwards -- but I don't think it is.
But absent a codeshare, QF is clearly operating as a domestic feeder flight -- and that's a no-no.
At least, that's my 2.73 cents (inflation, you know?)
Steve
But absent a codeshare, QF is clearly operating as a domestic feeder flight -- and that's a no-no.
At least, that's my 2.73 cents (inflation, you know?)
Steve
Dec 20, 2006 | 1:00 am
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Despite the fare rules, I'm pretty sure that flying QF JFK-LAX and then flying another carrier LAX-XYZ violates the rules of cabotage. It *might* be legal if you were booked on a codeshare -- for example, if CX codeshared on the QF flight and then you flew CX onwards -- but I don't think it is.
But absent a codeshare, QF is clearly operating as a domestic feeder flight -- and that's a no-no.
At least, that's my 2.73 cents (inflation, you know?)
Steve
But absent a codeshare, QF is clearly operating as a domestic feeder flight -- and that's a no-no.
At least, that's my 2.73 cents (inflation, you know?)
Steve
See also:
http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/showthread.php?t=554013
Dec 20, 2006 | 3:49 am
#22
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QF simply doesn't want the OWE ticket revenue for JFK-LAX (it isn't enough). So they have this rule that you cannot fly QF107/108 on the US leg unless you fly QF trans-pacific (which earns a lot more revenue). Cabotage has nothing to do with it; being able to fly QF codeshare on AA is a good example, that too would be cabotage if QF107/108 were -- but of course it is not! As it is a commercial decision, it is unlikely to change unless the market cools down and QF has empty seats to fill.