Using an AONE3 on QF107
 

Can I use an LAX-JFK segment of an AONE3 to travel on QF107 if I am not connecting from an international flight?

I started my AONE3 ex-BKK and have traveled BKK-HKG-JFK so far. I would like to travel JFK-ORD/DFW-LAX and then return LAX-JFK on QF107. Can I do this?

Yes, you should be able to do this. Since your AONE3 is an international ticket, you cna be booked on the QF 107, even if you are not flying QF on an international segment. That said, there have been instances of QF denying boarding to people not continuing to/from Australia/New Zealand.

In your case, I would go for it. The worst case scenario is that QF decides to deny you boarding at LAX, in which case you can still avail yourself of the numerous AA flights to JFK, which offer, IMO, a very high standard of service.

I did a search and found posts claiming this. In any event, I had no difficulty making the reservation through the AA RTW desk. I'm keping my fingers crossed!

Good luck, it should work-out. In any event, the altnerative is not so bad and you really don't have anything to loose by trying your luck with QF.

Bump. Any recent experiences?

I would like to fly QF from LAX to JFK as well on an AONE5, which will be routed:

SBA-xLAX AA
LAX-xJFK QF
JFK-xHKG CX
HKG-oBKK CX

[and continues]

If it is relevant, I will apparently have to fly QF from SYD to JNB later in the itinerary.

This thread http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/showthread.php?t=520638 indicates it cannot be done. Flying QF from LAX to JFK to catch the CX flight seems a much more comfortable way to do it.

My recent experience is that QF will bounce you from the JFK-LAX flight if they find a reservation there - this happened to me in December and they gave me less thatn 24 hours notice when they did it, protecting onto an earlier AA flight which I wouldn't have been able to catch (connecting off a different ticket) and I only got onto a later AA flight in F by standing by at the gate (J was confirmed).

A year ago, it was reported here that QF would grump at AONE'ers on those NA transcons, but didn't police the flights aggressively. A couple of weeks ago a res agent - for BA, iirc - mentioned here that QF now will send a grumpy message to an airline whose rtw department us so bold as to book QF107/108, and of course cancel the res. So I doubt it's worth the effort.

Unfortunately, AA's 3-class 762's are not even close to the same class - even their intercontinental 777's are barely comparable - and AA is about as unwilling to give up seats to A pax as Qantas is. I've never seen anything but A0, and Yield Management certainly doesn't fall all over themselves accommodating a request from the rtw desk, although others have reported successes. Maybe ExPlat helps.

The only decent ride across the country is the Cathay JFK-YVR service, a bit out of the way if you're heading to LAX, but certainly a treat.

Maybe, but not in my case, however. I was recently told "we know nuthin' 'bout EXP here at the rtw'. :(

What's the issue with QF here? Is the JFK segment near fully booked all the time?

Recently, I tried getting on QF108 JFK-LAX in F as part of a QF F FF award. No way. J was available ex-JFK and lots of Y. Since CO was the issuer (and they never have any availability) they put me in BE on DL instead.

The issue is that QF does not have traffic rights to carry purely domestic US traffic.

That's perfectly true, but doesn't answer the important question..

DOes QF have rights to carry passengers as long as it is not a domestic only itinery ( in which case all OWEs should be eligable to use domestic QF107/8 ) or do they have the right to carry passengers between Australia and USA, in which case only passengers travelling to/from USA with QF would be allowed to use it.

That seems to be the unknown

Dave

I emailed a contact i have at BA this morning and got a call back from their group sales manager which runs the RTW desk. They have now highlighted not to sell the QF 107/108 segments unless in conjunction with a QF flight so hopefully that will put an end to the problem - anyway, great, quick response from BA ^ ^ ^

Thanks??
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Apparently the message that QF will only accept QF passengers on the QF operated segment is included in a reference page screen of notes that isn't readily seen - several key strokes away. Making matters a bit more confusing is that passengers on RTW tickets can be booked on QF flight numbers operated by AA between JFK-LAX, so for example if A inventory isn't available under AA it can be booked on a QF code as long as it's AA metal. So no way, no how the QF operated flight unless coming or going onto a QF operated flight.

Now to make matters worse, when it is booked, for whatever reason, QF doesn't apparently audit the record but accepts it and even offers seat assignments. QF at least when I spoke with BA on Monday had not offered an explanation on why they confirm the booking. One would think once they do that they would have the responsibility to accept the passenger, but I guess not.

I was a bit rushed while I was talking to the woman from BA, but the above was the general explanation, and the prevention is now that in some way when trying to book QF 107 or 108 the agents will now get a same screen message, and have been sent a tariff alert.

I have another RTW i'll buy from BA for a Feb trip ( 2 miles per $ on my Chase VISA :) ) so will be interested to see what happens.

IIRC, QF108 might work sometimes. ;)

JFK is less stringent in enforcing it. In addition, if you are on a flexible fare, such as AONEx, you could always book a QF connection, then reroute it when you get to LAX. ;) It might be worth the $150. :p