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jerry a. laska Oct 26, 2006 4:46 pm


Originally Posted by Full Score
Many thanks for all the additional info.

Presumably you flew MRU-(JNB)-LHR-xxxxx as I can't find a way to fly First Class from JNB to the east unless going as far as SYD. Are there any flights to Asia where one can travel A, not D?

Also, please, is there an updated Excel spreadsheet available anywhere? The latest is dated early July 06?

I believe he was planning something like: MRU-LHR-DXB-LHR-USA-----

Kurwah Oct 26, 2006 10:51 pm


Originally Posted by Full Score
Many thanks for all the additional info.

Presumably you flew MRU-(JNB)-LHR-xxxxx as I can't find a way to fly First Class from JNB to the east unless going as far as SYD. Are there any flights to Asia where one can travel A, not D?

Also, please, is there an updated Excel spreadsheet available anywhere? The latest is dated early July 06?

You can fly CX JNB-HKG on an AONEx.

ReelChief Oct 27, 2006 10:59 am


Originally Posted by jerry a. laska
I believe he was planning something like: MRU-LHR-DXB-LHR-USA-----

Right. My wife and I just flew MRU-LHR-DXB-LHR-LAX-- the first 3 segments were contiguous- tight connection but doable.

Last year on an AONE5 we did fly JNB-SYD- a very pleasant experience on QF-- but next time are considering the JNB-HKG on CX748- which I believe is a seasonal First with the F/A season just starting this week (so would not have been available for us last week).

virtualtroy Oct 27, 2006 1:43 pm


Originally Posted by ReelChief
but next time are considering the JNB-HKG on CX748- which I believe is a seasonal First with the F/A season just starting this week (so would not have been available for us last week).

Be warned that A inventory on this route - being seasonal - is harder to come by.

Gardyloo Oct 27, 2006 6:29 pm

Romania and Bulgaria
 
I found the Romania/Bulgaria OWE and GlobEx fares on Amadeus. BA, CX, QF, IB all show the same tariff; AA doesn't have a fare published there.

The fares are indeed Euro-denominated and are identical with each other, thus:

Priced in EUR
Code:

LONE3        1810
LGLOB26        1810
LONE4        2250
LGLOB29        2250
LONE5        2790
LGLOB34        2790
LONE6        3260
LGLOB39        3260
DONE3        4800
DONE4        5200
DGLOB34        5200
DONE5        5900
DONE6        6800
AONE3        6900
AONE4        7700
AGLOB34        7700
AONE5        8700
AONE6        9800

I don't know how the numbers that appear on the Sabre star file got there, and this might not be the definitive last word on the matter, but it removes (from me at least) any lingering hopes that somebody could get a bargain in Romania or Bulgaria, at least easily.

Cheetah_SA Nov 7, 2006 6:17 am


Originally Posted by Gardyloo
Somebody getting BA or IB to verify that price ex-South Africa would be great.

I can confirm the AONE4 and DONE4 prices are correct - BA here quoted me the same. (I asked them for all the *ONE* fares but they were all pi$$y and said they needed an itinerary to quote a fare and so I just mocked up a couple and got the travel agent to get the quotes.)

willyroo Nov 16, 2006 6:38 pm

Vietnam?
 
Has anybody found any OW XONEX pricing out of Vietnam?

Gardyloo Nov 16, 2006 8:39 pm


Originally Posted by willyroo
Has anybody found any OW XONEX pricing out of Vietnam?

From Sabre -

Code:

123N VIETNAM                                     
124N --------                                         
125N .                                                   
126N CURRENCY - USD                                     
127N CONTINENT - ASIA                                       
128N .                                                   
129N ------------------------------------------------------
130N I FARE I SEASO I THREE  I FOUR C I FIVE CO I SIX CON I
131N I BAS  I N    I CONTIN I ONTINE I NTINENT I TINENTS I
132N I IS  I      I ENTS  I NTS    I S      I        I
133N ------------------------------------------------------
134N I AONE I ALL  I 7959  I 9098  I 10360  I 11600  I
135N I *    I YEAR  I        I        I        I        I
136N ------------------------------------------------------
137N I DONE I ALL  I 5755  I 6582  I 7500    I 8380    I
138N I *    I YEAR  I        I        I        I        I
139N ------------------------------------------------------
140N I LONE I ALL  I 2549  I 3059  I 3579    I 4389   
141N I *    I YEAR  I        I        I        I


willyroo Nov 16, 2006 11:46 pm


Originally Posted by Gardyloo
From Sabre -

Merci buckets!

WearyBizTrvlr Nov 19, 2006 7:08 am

So what's the latest?
 
After a bit of an absence from FT (naturally due to too much business-related flying), I'm trying to catch up on the latest developments in xONEx pricing space. I'll try to incorporate the latest data from this thread into the spreadsheet in the near future.

One item I have not seen mentioned here is that ExpertFlyer now has RTW fare information, and quite extensive info at that. I don't know enough web-related programming to slurp it all down, even if that potentially were not to run afoul of legal issues. Does anyone know whether I could use EF in some systematic way to update the spreadsheet? I can look up the fares by origin manually, but an automated process would obviously be much preferred.

Off to LAX where I will have to get my current DONE4 reissued. Oh joy.

Gardyloo Nov 19, 2006 10:58 am


Originally Posted by WearyBizTrvlr
After a bit of an absence from FT (naturally due to too much business-related flying), I'm trying to catch up on the latest developments in xONEx pricing space. I'll try to incorporate the latest data from this thread into the spreadsheet in the near future.

One item I have not seen mentioned here is that ExpertFlyer now has RTW fare information, and quite extensive info at that. I don't know enough web-related programming to slurp it all down, even if that potentially were not to run afoul of legal issues. Does anyone know whether I could use EF in some systematic way to update the spreadsheet? I can look up the fares by origin manually, but an automated process would obviously be much preferred.

Off to LAX where I will have to get my current DONE4 reissued. Oh joy.

Welcome back and good luck with the reissue. I also hope you can indeed find some way to automate pulling EF's RTW fares into your marvelous spreadsheet. Also, FWIW, the last few times I've tried to update exchange rates using the macro, I get several pages of "#NA" and have to exit the file and reopen it (Undo doesn't work with the macro apparently.)

As a related aside, although EF only acknowledges linking to the alliance RTW fares, one can pull up all sorts of dandy one-off or bi/multi-lateral non-alliance RTW fares there too. Here's a little table containing most J and a couple of interesting F RTW/Circle fares ex USA that I put together (I have no life) that has a couple of interesting entries. (The list is far from exhaustive - who knew there were this many products?)

Code:

Ex - USA (LAX)        Airline        Class        USD        Who/what
CRWEKUAN        EK        C          4,848        EK/UA N Pacific RTW
DRWQFLY                QF        D          5,342        QF/LY partner RTW
CEZSQ/SQAPAC    SQ        D          5,696        SQ stand-alone RTW
DCIR22                AA        D          5,698        OW Circle Pac 22K
CRWEKUAS        EK        C          6,251        EK/UA S Pacific RTW
DCIR26                AA        D          6,665        OW Circle Pac 26K
ARWEKUAN        EK        A          6,726        EK/UA N Pacific F RTW
DRWSQCOR        SQ        D          7,031        SQ/CO partner RTW
DRWQFAF                QF        D          7,056        QF/AF partner RTW
DCIR29SA        AA        D          7,095        OW Circle Pac 29K
CRWSQVS                SQ        D          7,160        SQ/VS partner RTW
CRWESC                SQ        D          7,310        SQ/VS/NZ Escapade RTW
DRWNZ1                NZ        D          7,740        NZ stand-alone RTW
ARWEKUAS        EK        A          7,821        EK/UA S Pacific F RTW
DONE3                AA        D          8,063       
CRWSTAR1        NZ        D          8,224       
CRWWJ30                EK        C          8,353        EK/CO/KL/AS et al 30K RTW
DONE4                AA        D          8,923       
DGLOB34                AA        D          9,029        OW Global Explorer RTW
CRWSTAR2        NZ        D          9,406       
CRWWJ35                EK        C          9,538        EK/CO/KL/AS et al 35K RTW
DONE5                AA        D          9,890       
CRWSTAR3        SQ        D          11,019       
DONE6                AA        D          11,180       
CRWWJ40                EK        C          11,232 EK/CO/KL/AS et al 40K RTW


Bobie Nov 22, 2006 7:42 am

Cheapest AONE5 starting point
 
Hi,

I'm in Cape Town on an AONE6 ex Delhi with my final legs via Jo'Burg and HKK coming up.

I want to go around the world again - Asia has had a price hike - where is the cheapest starting point worldwide as I have airmiles to get there.

FYI
I flew SYD-NYC then NYC-Vancouver on CX within this last ticket - after much argument of whether it was legal and it is.

I also hope the spredsheet can be updated as so useful

cheers

Bobie

Gardyloo Nov 22, 2006 8:40 am


Originally Posted by Bobie
Hi,

I'm in Cape Town on an AONE6... where is the cheapest starting point worldwide as I have airmiles to get there.

Welcome to FT, Bobie, and you don't have to travel too far. Mauritius is the current leader for AONExs. There are several threads in this forum about MRU originations. Check up on the rules about Africa originations/London transits etc. before you commit, though.

Bobie Nov 22, 2006 9:39 am

What a great site!
 
Thanks for replying so quickly - what a great site!
Can I just clarify a few things having read loads of threads today -

As of July you can't purchase and ticket in 2 different countries therefore closing alot of loopholes toget cheaper tickets?

You say AONE ex MRU is the cheapest place but is it different for a DONE?

Could anyone list the top 3 places to originate for a AONE and a DONE 5 continent?

If you are a QF Emerald FF do you find you are upgraded often to first on a DONE or rarely? (I have been spoilt and there is no going back!)
- I would imagine emeralds on a full fair business get the upgrade first?

Apologies if this is not on the right thread - is there a general OW forum?

Thanks in advance, hopefully I will be able to contribute as I have re-issued my current AONE6 from a hand written CX in Delhi - PER QF - NYC AA !. My first RTW was QF/TW in 1984 and i got 52 stops!

Thanks again,

Bobie


QUOTE=Gardyloo]Welcome to FT, Bobie, and you don't have to travel too far. Mauritius is the current leader for AONExs. There are several threads in this forum about MRU originations. Check up on the rules about Africa originations/London transits etc. before you commit, though.[/QUOTE]

ReelChief Nov 22, 2006 4:07 pm


Originally Posted by Bobie
Thanks for replying so quickly - what a great site!
Can I just clarify a few things having read loads of threads today -

As of July you can't purchase and ticket in 2 different countries therefore closing alot of loopholes toget cheaper tickets?

You say AONE ex MRU is the cheapest place but is it different for a DONE?

Could anyone list the top 3 places to originate for a AONE and a DONE 5 continent?

If you are a QF Emerald FF do you find you are upgraded often to first on a DONE or rarely? (I have been spoilt and there is no going back!)
- I would imagine emeralds on a full fair business get the upgrade first?

Apologies if this is not on the right thread - is there a general OW forum?

Thanks in advance, hopefully I will be able to contribute as I have re-issued my current AONE6 from a hand written CX in Delhi - PER QF - NYC AA !. My first RTW was QF/TW in 1984 and i got 52 stops!

Thanks again,

Bobie

Here are some responses to a few of your questions.
1) For some time (not just July) you had to purchase your ticket in the country of origin (if that is what you are referring to). Purchasing in MRU is easy to do. Starting there is less easy because they seem to have difficulty finding A inventory on MRU-LHR (even when it shows on EF).
2) MRU is MUCH cheaper than any other origin for AONEs. I think the two closest are So. Africa and Qatar and they are at least US$2500 more for AONE4s. MRU is also the best for DONEs but the difference for DONEs is much less- eg. less than US$1000 difference for a DONE4 from MRU versus JNB. And a DONE3 from CMB is slightly less than a DONE4 from MRU—this is relevant in that a 3 continent RTW can be done from CMB but not MRU. Japan and Sweden are also places to consider for DONEs.
3) A question you don’t ask but is prompted by your reference to your AONE6. As has been discussed here, a six continent trip seems very inefficient—and even a five continent trip might be so considered.


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