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Sabre rattlings - hot off the wire prices

So yesterday I signed up as a (very part time) home-based TA and got access to both Sabre and Amadeus, so thought I'd try out my Sabre keyboarding skills (there's an oxymoron) to see what changes in the star file fares I could find since the last general updating. I've done just a selection of countries for OWE prices, since cutting and pasting into FT format rates a 12 on the PITA scale.

Anyway, below are a few Asia origin points, priced as of today. I've included the last FT-posted fares on the line below so you can see the changes. On my spreadsheet it looks like most AONExs have gone up by 10%; DONExs by 4% - 10%, and LONExs have stayed more or less flat. Japan didn't go up by as much as other places, including Sri Lanka, so for the moment Japan is pretty competitive with CMB in some fare categories. (I haven't done the work of currency conversion except for a couple of personal tests.)

Did I mention that I'm now a fledgling TA? Wink wink.

(A couple of Africa and Euro start points will be in the next post. I'm also looking at GlobeEx and Circle fares to see if there's anything shocking.)

If anybody knows diddly about how to look up rules and fares for RTWs on Amadeus, especially ones BA might use in, say, Romania, I'd be grateful for the guidance.

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COUNTRY/CURR                                   

                                                

HONG KONG         3 CONT          4 CONT          5 CONT          6 CONT          

HKD        AONE         70,400          79,000          88,500          97,700         

        (Old)         64,000          71,940          81,950          88,880         

        DONE         49,680          56,070          63,900          69,900         

        (Old)         45,160          50,970          59,180          63,560         

        LONE         21,590          24,750          28,180          33,000         

        (Old)         21,590          24,750          28,180          31,430         

                                                

JAPAN                 3 CONT          4 CONT          5 CONT          6 CONT         

 JPY         AONE         955,500          1,072,400          1,242,700          1,423,900         

                 910,000          1,021,300          1,183,500          1,356,100         

        DONE         656,300          743,200          852,500          978,200         

                 625,000          707,800          811,900          931,600         

        LONE         335,000          369,600          433,800          500,000         

                 321,900          355,400          421,200          485,000         

                                                

KOREA                 3 CONT          4 CONT          5 CONT          6 CONT         

KRW        AONE         8,881,400          10,098,900          11,604,600          13,345,300         

                 8,074,000          9,173,500          10,549,600          12,132,100         

        DONE         5,686,200          6,776,800          7,789,600          8,787,400         

                 5,415,400          6,454,100          7,418,600          8,531,400         

        LONE         2,905,500          3,486,700          4,009,700          4,611,200         

                 2,905,500          3,486,700          4,009,700          4,611,200         



MALAYSIA         3 CONT          4 CONT          5 CONT          6 CONT         

MYR        AONE         37,280          40,460          46,530          53,250         

                 33,890          36,787          42,306          48,415         

        DONE         25,170          28,460          32,730          36,670         

                 22,880          25,875          29,756          33,336         

        LONE         10,780          12,555          14,320          16,470         

                 10,461          12,555          13,904          15,991         

                                                

PAKISTAN         3 CONT          4 CONT          5 CONT          6 CONT         

PKR        AONE         516,870          576,140          662,620          739,590         

                 457,400          509,850          586,300          654,500         

        DONE         302,480          340,560          391,710          450,450         

                 272,500          309,600          356,100          409,500         

        LONE         145,500          174,700          200,900          231,000         

                 145,500          174,700          200,900          231,000         

                                                

SINGAPORE         3 CONT          4 CONT          5 CONT          6 CONT         

SGD        AONE         16,140          17,300          19,900          22,880         

                 14,670          15,730          18,093          20,800         

        DONE         10,890          12,240          14,090          15,740         

                  9,900          11,128          12,808          14,304         

        LONE          4,860           5,365           6,170           7,713         

                  4,860           5,365           6,170           7,713         

                                                

SRI LANKA         3 CONT          4 CONT           5 CONT          6 CONT         

LKR        AONE         884,900          980,000          1,105,000          1,248,500         

                 769,400          821,100          944,300          1,085,600         

        DONE         518,500          591,200          679,800          774,200         

                 458,900          523,200          601,600          685,150         

        LONE         241,270          289,400          333,000          383,860         

                 223,400          268,000          308,400          354,500         

                                                

THAILAND         3 CONT          4 CONT          5 CONT          6 CONT         

THB        AONE         329,495          372,340          418,740          466,895         

                 299,540          338,490          387,725          424,450         

        DONE         229,825          262,645          296,535          329,400         

                 208,930          238,765          274,570          299,450         

        LONE         100,965          121,160          139,330          160,230         

                 100,965          121,160          139,330          160,230

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Originally Posted by Gardyloo

Did I mention that I'm now a fledgling TA? Wink wink.

Your popularity in this forum has suddenly gone up ten-fold... ;)

Here are two Africa origins of interest -

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MAURITIUS                 4 CONT          5 CONT          6 CONT 

MUR        AONE                188,000          215,000          245,000 

        DONE                161,000          182,000          212,000 

        LONE                 80,000           92,000          110,000 

        No changes                        

                                

SO AFRICA                 4 CONT          5 CONT          6 CONT 

ZAR        AONE                 51,990          66,000          76,800 

                         59,900          65,000          70,000 

        DONE                 39,950          45,300          53,000 

                         41,400          45,000          50,000 

        LONE                 18,500          22,000          27,000 

                         19,000          24,000          29,000

And a couple of countries of interest in Europe -

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CROATIA                 3 CONT          4 CONT          5 CONT          6 CONT 

EUR        AONE     6,900            7,700           8,700          9,800 

                 6,249                   7,149           8,149          9,049 

        DONE         4,800                   5,200           5,900          6,800 

                 4,149                   4,749           5,549          6,099 

        LONE         1,810                   2,250           2,790          3,260 

                 1,999                   2,099           2,599          3,399 

                                        

SWEDEN         SEK          3 CONT          4 CONT          5 CONT          6 CONT 

        AONE         62,100          69,500          80,900          91,000 

                 64,000          71,000          81,000          91,000 

        DONE         39,700          44,960          53,500          58,900 

                 41,000          45,000          51,500          58,900 

        LONE         15,690          19,560          23,360          26,940 

                 15,720          19,900          24,000          28,200

Let me know what other countries/products are of interest - response won't be instantaneous but what is?

Quote:

Originally Posted by Gardyloo

Let me know what other countries/products are of interest - response won't be instantaneous but what is?

Could we have New Zealand please?

And many thanks for providing this information. It really is appreciated :)

Quote:

Originally Posted by Gardyloo

Here are two Africa origins of interest -

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SO AFRICA                 4 CONT          5 CONT          6 CONT 

ZAR        AONE                 51,990          66,000          76,800 

                         59,900          65,000          70,000 

        DONE                 39,950          45,300          53,000 

                         41,400          45,000          50,000 

        LONE                 18,500          22,000          27,000 

                         19,000          24,000          29,000

And a couple of countries of interest in Europe -

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SWEDEN         SEK          3 CONT          4 CONT          5 CONT          6 CONT 

        AONE         62,100          69,500          80,900          91,000 

                 64,000          71,000          81,000          91,000 

        DONE         39,700          44,960          53,500          58,900 

                 41,000          45,000          51,500          58,900 

        LONE         15,690          19,560          23,360          26,940 

                 15,720          19,900          24,000          28,200

Let me know what other countries/products are of interest - response won't be instantaneous but what is?

The SA & Swedish xONE4 have come down in price? :confused:

Quote:

Originally Posted by ethan

Could we have New Zealand please?

Minor changes 0% - 4%

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NZ/NZD         4          5          6 

AONE         14,399 16,399          18,499 

(Old)         13,899 15,479          17,879 

DONE         10,599 12,099          13,869 

(Old)         10,239 11,759          13,269 

LHONE         3,789          4,199          4,699 

(Old)         4,089          4,399          4,759 

LLONE         3,629          3,959          4,549 

(Old)         3,629          3,909          4,499

Quote:

Originally Posted by Moomba

The SA & Swedish xONE4 have come down in price? :confused:

Looks that way. Probably currency-related. I just double checked the SA AONE3 number 'cause it looks fishy, but that's what the screen says. Might be another case of input error, a la Romania/Bulgaria (if that's what it is.) Somebody getting BA or IB to verify that price ex-South Africa would be great.

Thanks gardyloo ^

Good stuff Gardyloo ... ^

Quote:

Originally Posted by Gardyloo

... If anybody knows diddly about how to look up rules and fares for RTWs on Amadeus, especially ones BA might use in, say, Romania, I'd be grateful for the guidance. ...

Maybe this site would help: Global Distribution Systems Training Web Site. :p

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Originally Posted by serfty

Maybe this site would help: Global Distribution Systems Training Web Site. :p

I hate you. ;)

Quote:

Originally Posted by Gardyloo

I just double checked the SA AONE3...

Hmm a TA with dyslexia, could be a good thing if it works out in my favour.

How much did you say? Excellent I'll take it. :D

Quote:

Originally Posted by Gardyloo

...

If anybody knows diddly about how to look up rules and fares for RTWs on Amadeus, especially ones BA might use in, say, Romania, I'd be grateful for the guidance.

As a fledging TA, shouldn't you start by say, the rules of trade, and read the manuals before you touch something you shouldn't ?

Though BA might be on Amadeus, they sometimes restrict access to certain fare rules and displays to their own systems which regular TA Amadeus users do not have access to.

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Originally Posted by Guy Betsy

As a fledging TA, shouldn't you start by say, the rules of trade, and read the manuals before you touch something you shouldn't?

Oh please. I may be a fledgling TA but I'm a very old bird in most other dimensions, including professional decorum. I don't run with scissors either. And of course I'm deep into RTFM country at the moment.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Moomba

Hmm a TA with dyslexia, could be a good thing if it works out in my favour.

How much did you say? Excellent I'll take it. :D

Doh. SA AONE4.

As an exceptionally tweedy lecturer at Edin U once asked us, "G'morning. How am I?"

Gardyloo, thanks very much for this update. I have entered these new figures into my fare spreadsheet and reach the following conclusions.

Maritius is still by far the best A starting point for AONEs. The 4 continent fare is only 73% of the next best AONE4 and the 5 continent fare is 77% of the next best (South Africa in both cases). Even if one assumes that starting in Mauritius (also South Africa) requires an extra continent (one has to pay for Africa but there is not much you can do with intra-Africa flights), comparing the ex-MRU 4 continent to the best AONE3 (which is now Japan), AONE4 ex-MRU is still about 72% of an AONE3 ex-Japan. MRU is also better for a DONE4 than anywhere else, although the DONE3 ex-CMB seems slightly ($50) cheaper than the DONE4 ex-MRU. Note that I have not included Malawi in the above comparisons because it is more expensive that MRU (but not South Africa) and does not seem to be a starting point that anyone is likely to consider.

Putting my money where my mouth is, today I’ve just returned to the US from flying the first four segments (more than 18,000 miles all in First) of a AONE5 started in MRU a week ago. (It would be nice if it could be extrapolated to 20 segments totaling 90,000 miles all in First but the law of averages is about to catch up). Before starting out, I posted some thoughts on RTWs ex-MRU and I’ll add some further thoughts in the next few days.

Quote:

Originally Posted by ReelChief

......I’ve just returned to the US from flying the first four segments (more than 18,000 miles all in First) of a AONE5 started in MRU a week ago.......I’ll add some further thoughts in the next few days.

Many thanks for all the additional info.

Presumably you flew MRU-(JNB)-LHR-xxxxx as I can't find a way to fly First Class from JNB to the east unless going as far as SYD. Are there any flights to Asia where one can travel A, not D?

Also, please, is there an updated Excel spreadsheet available anywhere? The latest is dated early July 06?