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Old May 8, 2019, 10:29 pm
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Originally Posted by anabolism
You can't create multiple PNRs and then combine them into one ticket, there is no mechanism for that.
I know we have a few TAs in this forum. Could one of them confirm that this is indeed no longer possible? My TAs did it for me many times in the past.
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Old May 8, 2019, 11:21 pm
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Originally Posted by anabolism
You can't combine separate PNRs and issue one ticket out of all of them.
Originally Posted by christep
I know we have a few TAs in this forum. Could one of them confirm that this is indeed no longer possible? My TAs did it for me many times in the past.
To be clear, I believe that anabolism is talking only about a specific OneWorld RTW product, xONEx fared tickets. On other, regular tickets, yes, this can be done. But I'm fairly certain that it was never a possibility for xONEx tickets in OneWorld.
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Old May 9, 2019, 2:16 am
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I'm only talking about OWEs. I am 100% sure that it was possible - my TA used do it all the time. But this was quite a few years ago now.
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Old May 9, 2019, 2:49 am
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Back in the pre e-ticket days, a physical ticket was a booklet with 4 vouchers. Each booklet had it's own ticket number.

Your 20 segment xONEx would be comprised of 5 such books of vouchers, often presented stapled together. The five 'tickets' would be recorded in the GDS's under the one PNR.

So 'Many (tickets) to one (PNR)'. I didn't think it could be done the other way.
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Old May 9, 2019, 4:45 am
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Paging @ernestnywang and @Calchas !
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Old May 9, 2019, 5:05 am
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Originally Posted by serfty
Back in the pre e-ticket days, a physical ticket was a booklet with 4 vouchers. Each booklet had it's own ticket number.

Your 20 segment xONEx would be comprised of 5 such books of vouchers, often presented stapled together. The five 'tickets' would be recorded in the GDS's under the one PNR.
IIRC only four physical tickets could be put together in one itinerary, thus the 16 segment limit.
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Old May 9, 2019, 6:02 am
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Originally Posted by Dr. HFH
IIRC only four physical tickets could be put together in one itinerary, thus the 16 segment limit.
4 tickets, and thus 16 segments is the maximum allowed NOW (and has been for some years)

But from the OWE rule sheet of Dec-2007 (yes I have a copy!)
A minimum of 3 and a maximum of 20 segments, including surface segments, are permitted for the entire journey.
And, IIRC, someone once posted that s/he had a 24 segment itinerary
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Old May 9, 2019, 6:04 am
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Edit. It was certainly possible to have 20 segments, but I thought I recalledl more being possible. The oldest rule sheet I can immediately find is 2006, which had the 20 limit. And that was flight segments.

The 16 segment thing (including surface segments) was imposed by the "enhancement" of e-ticketing. Once e-ticketing arrived there was an overlapping period where paper tickets could also be issued, but then they could only be 16 segments (so there was no advantage to paper ticketing).
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OK, here you go - the *STAR file from 1999 for OWE. There was no segment limit that I can see beyond the 6 in NA, 4 in each other continent, and you could purchase up to 2 extra segments in each continent except the origin. So in principle such a xONE6 ticket could contain 42 segments, perhaps with 3 more if you utilised the two continental entry exceptions..

** UNIVERSAL STAR
** U STAR ID - OW EXPLORER
0S ONEWORLD RTW EXPLORER FARE
1N . ** FOR INFORMATION ON THIS FARE PLEASE CALL THE
2N . AROUND THE WORLD DESK AT 1-800-247-3247 **
3N .
4N . ****THESE RULES EFFECTIVE 5/8/01 - FOR PASTDATE****
5N . ****RULES PLEASE SEE N*/PASTDATE OW EXPLORER****
6N . INDEX LINES
7N FARE BASIS/GOV RULE/BOOK/ 19-23
8N APPLICATION 24-47
9N MIN/MAX STAY/RES/TKT/ 48-87
10N STOPOVERS/FLT SEGS 88-131
11N ROUTING 132-198
12N SEASONS N*/OW EXPLORER1
13N CHANGES/CXLN/REFUND/CHILD/INFANT/ N*/OW EXPLORER1
14N RULES NOT APPLICABLE/COMBINE N*/OW EXPLORER1
15N FARES/SURCHARGES/OPTIONS N*/OW FARES INDEX
16N .
17N FARE BASIS/ AONE*/DONE*/MHONE*/MLONE*
18N . * = NUMBER OF CONTINENTS VISITED
19N GOV RULE/ 3015 TEXT MENU RWR1
20N BOOK/ SEE N*/OW BOOKING CODES
21N .
22N APPLICATION/ 1. APPLIES TO FIRST/BUSINESS/ECONOMY/RTW
23N . TRAVEL
24N . 2. VIA AA/AY/BA/CX*/DI**/EI/IB/LA/LP/QF
25N . INCLUDING CODESHARES OPERATED *ONLY*
26N . BY THESE CARRIERS AND THEIR AFFILIATES
27N . AS LISTED IN N*/OW AFFILIATES.
28N . *TRAVEL NOT PERMITTED ON CX FLTS BETWEEN
29N . HONG KONG AND VIETNAM.
30N . **EFF FOR TICKETS ISSUED ON/AFTER 06JUN02
31N . DI CANCELLED.
32N . - OTHER CODESHARE SERVICES NOT PERMITTED.
33N . 3. VIA CXRS LISTED IN N*/OW AFFILIATES
34N . 4. ORIGIN-DESTINATION SURFACE PERMITTED
35N . - WITHIN COUNTRY OF ORIGIN
36N . NOTE:US/CANADA ARE CONSIDERED THE SAME COUNTRY
37N . - WITHIN AFRICA
38N . - WITHIN THE MIDDLE EAST
39N . - BETWEEN HKG-CHINA
40N . - BETWEEN BANGLADESH AND BKK/SIN
41N . - WITHIN SOUTH AMERICA
42N . - BETWEEN MAYLAYSIA AND SIN
43N . 5. FARES APPLY ONLY IF PURCHASED PRIOR TO
44N . DEPARTURE FROM POINT OF ORIGIN.
45N .
46N MIN STAY/ TRAVEL FROM THE LAST POINT OUTSIDE THE
47N . COUNTRY OF ORIGIN MAY NOT COMMENCE PRIOR
48N . TO 10 DAYS AFTER DEPARTURE OF THE FIRST
49N . INTERNATIONAL SECTOR
50N . **EXCEPTION: ORIGIN SOUTHWEST PACIFIC
51N . - FIRST/BUSINESS CLASS NONE
52N . - ECONOMY CLASS 7 DAYS
53N . **EXCEPTION: ORIGIN EUROPE
54N . TRAVEL ON THE LAST INTERCONTINENTAL
55N . SEGMENT MUST COMMENCE NO EARLIER
56N . THAN 10 DAYS AFTER THE FIRST
57N . INTERCONTINENTAL SEGMENT
58N . **EXCEPTION: ORIGIN HKG - FOR TICKETS
59N . ISSUED ON/AFTER 10OCT01 - NO
60N . MINIMUM FOR FIRST/BUSINESS CLASS
61N . NOTE: TRAVEL BTWN US/CA IS NOT INTL TRAVEL.
62N .
63N MAX STAY/ 12MONTHS
64N .
65N RES/ 1. RESERVATIONS FOR THE 1ST INTL FLT AND
66N . ALL PRECEDING FLTS ARE REQUIRED AS
67N . FOLLOWS -
68N . - ORIGIN AREA 1 - 7DAYS
69N . - ORIGIN AREA 2/3 - ANYTIME PRIOR
70N . TO DEPARTURE OF THE 1ST FLT.
71N . 2. ALL OTHER FLTS MAY BE OPEN
72N TKT/ 1. ORIGIN AREA 1 - 7DAYS PRIOR TO
73N . DEPARTURE OF THE FIRST FLIGHT.
74N . ORIGIN AREA 2/3 - ANYTIME UP TO 1HR
75N . PRIOR TO DEPARTURE OF THE FIRST FLIGHT.
76N . 2. TKTS MUST BE ISSUED ON THE TKT STOCK
77N . OF AA/AY/BA/CX/DI**/EI/IB/LA/LP/QF.
78N . **EFFECTIVE FOR TICKETS ISSUED ON/AFTER
79N . 01JUN02 DI CANCELLED.
80N . 3. FOP BOX - SHOW /NON-REF/
81N . 4. ENDORSEMENT BOX OF ORIGINAL AND REISSUED
82N . TKT MUST SHOW -
83N . VALID ONLY ON AA/AY/BA/CX/EI/IB/LA/QF/DI**/LP
84N . **EFF FOR TICKETS ISSUED ON/AFTER 01JUN02
85N . DI CANCELLED.
86N STOPOVERS/ 1. A STOPOVER IS A BREAK OF JOURNEY OVER
87N . 24 HOURS.
88N . 2. STOPOVERS PERMITTED ANYWHERE.
89N . 3. MAXIMUM 2 STOPOVERS PERMITTED IN THE
90N . CONTINENT OF ORIGIN.
91N .
92N FLT SEGS/ 1. -FREE- FLT SEGS WITHIN EACH CONTINENT
93N . ARE LIMITED AS FOLLOWS:
94N . AFRICA 4
95N . ASIA 4
96N . NORTH AMERICA 6
97N . SOUTH AMERICA 4
98N . SOUTHWEST PACIFIC 4
99N . EUROPE/MIDDLE EAST* 4
100N . *NO MORE THAN 2 FREE MAY BE BETWEEN THE
101N . UK AND ALGERIA/ARMENIA/AZERBAIJAN/
102N . BAHRAIN/BULGARIA/CYPRUS/EGYPT/GEORGIA/
103N . GREECE/IRAN/ISRAEL/JORDAN/KUWAIT/
104N . LEBANON/MACEDONIA/MALTA/MOROCCO/OMAN
105N . FUNCHAL, PORTUGAL/QATAR/ROMANIA/RUSSIA/
106N . SAUDIA ARABIA/SYRIA/TUNISIA/
107N . UNITED ARAB EMIRATES/UKRAINE/YUGOSLAVIA
108N . 2. 2 ADDITIONAL FLT SEGMENTS WITHIN EACH
109N . CONTINENT - EXCEPT CONTINENT OF ORIGIN-
110N . MAY BE PURCHASED AT A CHARGE PER
111N . SEGMEMT OF:
112N . FIRST - USD550/AUD750/GBP350/
113N . HKD4300/EUR450.
114N . BUSINESS - USD400/AUD500/GBP200
115N . HKD3200/EUR300.
116N . ECONOMY - USD150/AUD200/GBP75/
117N . HKD1200/EUR100.
118N . 3. FLT SEGS BEYOND THE NUMBER PERMITTED
119N . AT THE THROUGH FARE MAY BE PURCHASED
120N . IN THE SAME OR LOWER CLASS OF SERVICE
121N . THAN THAT OF THE OW EXPLORER. 122N . 4. CONVERT THE USD AMT AT THE BSR IF
123N . CURRENCY OF COUNTRY OF ORIGIN NOT SHOWN
124N . EXCEPTION - FOR TRAVEL ORIGINATING IN
125N . NEW ZEALAND, CONVERT THE AUD AMOUNT
126N . AT THE BSR
127N . 5. CHARGE IS SHOWN AS A /Q/ IN THE FARE
128N . CALC LINE FOLLOWING THE CITY PAIR.
129N .
130N ROUTING/ 1. TRAVEL MUST BE VIA THE ATLANTIC AND
131N . PACIFIC OCEANS. ONLY 1 CROSSING OF EACH
132N . OCEAN IS PERMITTED. TRANSOCEANIC
133N . SURFACE NOT PERMITTED.
134N . 2. TRAVEL MUST BE IN A CONTINUOUS FORWARD
135N . DIRECTION BETWEEN AREA 1-AREA 2-AREA 3.
136N . BACKTRACK WITHIN A CONTINENT PERMITTED
137N . EXCEPT AS FOLLOWS.
138N . - TRAVEL VIA THE ORIGINAL POINT OF ORIGIN
139N . NOT PERMITTED.
140N . **EXCEPTION: ORIGIN AUSTRALIA IN
141N . CONJUNCTION WITH TRAVEL TO PAPUA NEW
142N . GUINEA WHEN ONE IS TRANSIT WITHOUT S/0
143N . - BACKTRACK BETWEEN HAWAII AND THE
144N . CONTINENTAL U.S/CANADA NOT PERMITTED.
145N . 3. 1 INTERCONTINENTAL DEPARTURE AND 1
146N . INTERCONTINENTAL ARRIVAL PERMITTED
147N . IN EACH CONTINENT EXCEPT AS FOLLOWS.
148N . - 2 PERMITTED IN NORTH AMERICA. 1 MUST
149N . BE A TRANSIT WITHOUT STOPOVER
150N . BETWEEN SOUTH AMERICA AND ANOTHER
151N . CONTINENT
152N . - 2 PERMITTED IN ASIA. 1 MUST BE A
153N . TRANSIT WITHOUT STOPOVER -OR- ON
154N . DIRECT SINGLE PLANE SERVICE BETWEEN
155N . THE SOUTHWEST PACIFIC AND EUROPE.
156N . - 2 PERMITTED IN EUROPE TO/FROM/VIA
157N . GHANA/NIGERIA. 1 MUST BE A TRANSIT
158N . WITHOUT STOPOVER BETWEEN GHANA/
159N . NIGERIA AND ANOTHER CONTINENT.
160N . 4. 1 INTL DEPARTURE AND 1 INTL ARRIVAL
161N . FROM/TO THE COUNTRY OF ORIGIN PERMITTED
162N . EXCEPT AS FOLLOWS.
163N . - ORIGIN AUSTRALIA - 2 PERMITTED.
164N . 1 ARRIVAL-DEPARTURE MUST BE A TRANSIT
165N . WITHOUT STOPOVER IN CONJUNCTION WITH
166N . TRAVEL TO PAPUA NEW GUINEA.
167N . - ORIGIN USA - 2 PERMITTED.
168N . 1 ARRIVAL-DEPARTURE MUST BE A TRANSIT
169N . WITHOUT STOPOVER.
170N . NOTE: TRAVEL BTWN US/CA IS NOT COUNTED AS
171N . INTERNATIONAL DEPARTURE/ARRIVAL.
172N . 5. TRAVEL BETWEEN AUSTRALIA AND EUROPE
173N . ON A SINGLE FLIGHT NUMBER IS CONSIDERED
174N . TRAVEL THROUGH 3 CONTINENTS.
175N . SW PACIFIC-ASIA-EUROPE
176N . 6. WITHIN THE US/CANADA -
177N . A.1 NONSTOP OR SINGLE PLANE TRANSCON FLT
178N . PERMITTED. TRANSCONTINENTAL FLIGHT IS
179N . DEFINED AS TRAVEL BETWEEN THE
180N . FOLLOWING CITIES:
181N 0 BWI/BOS/FLL/BDL/ LAS/LGB/LAX/OAK/
182N . MIA/EWR/NYC/ORL/- AND -SNA/PDX/SAN/SEA/
183N . PHL/SJU/YYZ/WAS SFO/SJC/YVR
184N . B.ONLY 1 FLIGHT TO ANC AND 1 FLIGHT FROM
185N . ANC PERMITTED.
186N . 7. WITHIN AUSTRALIA - 1 NONSTOP OR
187N . SINGLE PLANE FLIGHT PERMITTED BETWEEN
188N . THE FOLLOWING POINTS:
189N . BNE/CNS/SYD-PER
190N . MEL/SYD-DRW
191N . EXCEPTION - NO RESTRICTION BETWEEN
192N . SYD-PER WHEN IN CONJUNCTION WITH
193N . TRAVEL TO/FROM AFRICA
194N . 8. INTERMEDIATE SURFACE SEGMENTS PERMITTED
195N . 9. UNLIMITED ONLINE/INTERLINE TRANSFERS
196N . PERMITTED BETWEEN PARTICIPATING CXRS
197N FHTML 15APR02 7TI7 27JAN99 2583 * END OF STAR DATA *

** UNIVERSAL STAR ** U STAR ID - OW EXPLORER1 0S ONEWORLD CT/RTW EXPLORER FARE
1N .
2N . ** FOR INFORMATION ON THIS FARE PLEASE CALL THE
3N . AROUND THE WORLD DESK AT 1-800-247-3247 **
4N .
5N . ************************
6N .
7N . (CONTINUED FROM N*/OW EXPLORER)
8N . INDEX LINES
9N .
10N BAGGAGE 155-156
11N COMBINE 21
12N CHANGES 23-69
13N CANCELLATION/REFUND 70-97
14N UPGRADE 98-129
15N CHILDREN/INFANT DISCOUNTS 130-146
16N RULE NOT APPLIC/ 147-154
17N .
18N .
19N COMBINE/ NONE PERMITTED.
20N .
21N CHANGES/ NOTE -
22N . FARES TICKETED AND ORIGINALY ISSUED
23N . ON/BEFORE 31MAY02 AND REISSUED ON/AFTER
24N . 01JUN02 MAY INCLUDE SECTORS FLOWN ON DI.
25N .
26N . 1.PRIOR TO DEPARTURE
27N . TRAVEL ORIGINATING AREA 1 -
28N . - BEFORE TKT DEADLINE - PERMITTED WITHOUT
29N . PENALTY. CHANGES TO THE 1ST INTL FLT OR
30N . PRECEDING FLTS REQUIRE TKT REISSUE.
31N . - AFTER TKT DEADLINE - CHANGES TO THE
32N . 1ST INTL FLT AND PRECEDING FLTS ARE NOT
33N . PERMITTED. DATE/TIME CHANGES TO OTHER
34N . FLTS PERMITTED AT NO CHARGE. TKT MUST
35N . BE REISSUED.
36N . - CHANGES OTHER THAN DATE/TIME PERMITTED
37N . FOR USD75 PER TRANSACTION. IF THE
38N . CURRENCY OF TICKET ORIGIN IS NOT USD,
39N . CONVERT THE USD AMOUNT AT THE BSR.
40N . TKT MUST BE REISSUED.
41N . - CERTIFIED DEATH/ILLNESS OF PSGR, PSGRS
42N . IMMEDIATE FAMILY OR ACCOMPANYING PSGR,
43N . REROUTING PERMITTED FREE.
44N . TRAVEL ORIGINATING AREA 2/3
45N . UNLIMITED CHANGES PERMITTED WITHOUT CHARGE.
46N .
47N . 2. AFTER DEPARTURE -
48N . - DAY/TIME PERMITTED AT NO CHARGE. ALL
49N . OTHER ROUTING CHANGES PERMITTED AT
50N . USD75. IF CURRENCY OF TICKET ORIGIN IS
51N . NOT USD, CONVERT THE USD AMOUNT AT THE BSR.
52N . - NUMBER OF CONTINENTS/EXTRA FLT SEGMENTS
53N . MAY BE INCREASED/DECREASED. PSGR WILL BE
54N . CHARGED/REFUNDED ACCORDINGLY.
55N . NOTE:
56N . IF THE CHANGE RESULTS IN A REFUND, AN
57N . MCO WILL BE ISSUED FOR REFUND IN THE
58N . COUNTRY OF SALE. ANY APPLICABLE CHANGE
59N . FEE WILL APPLY.
60N . - CERTIFIED DEATH/ILLNESS OF PSGR, PSGRS
61N . IMMEDIATE FAMILY OR ACCOMPANYING PSGR,
62N . REROUTING PERMITTED FREE.
63N .
64N . 3. AT ANY TIME
65N . - IF CURRENCY OF COUNTRY OF TKT ORIGIN IS
66N . NOT SHOWN, CONVERT USD AMOUNT AT THE BSR
67N .
68N CXLN/ 1. PRIOR TO DEPARTURE
69N REFUND - BEFORE TKT DEADLINE - FULL REFUND
70N . - AFTER TKT DEADLINE
71N . ORIGIN AREA 1 - PENALTY 10 0/0 OF THE
72N . TKTD AMOUNT
73N . ORIGIN AREA 2/3 - NO PENALTY.
74N . - IN THE EVENT OFFICIAL DOCUMENTS/ENTRY
75N . PERMIT/VISA ARE DENIED - FULL REFUND
76N . PROVIDED OFFICIAL DOCUMENTATION FROM THE
77N . APPROVED AUTHORITY IS PRODUCED AND
78N . ATTACHED TO THE REFUND REQUEST.
79N .
80N . 2. AFTER DEPARTURE
81N . - 10 0/0 OF TKTD AMOUNT
82N . EXCEPTION 1 -
83N . ORIGIN SW PACIFIC - NO PENALTY
84N . EXCEPTION 2 -
85N . ORIGIN JAPAN - JPY50000 OR 10 0/0
86N . OF TKT AMT WHICHEVER IS LOWER
87N . - PARTIALLY USED TRANSPORTATION - THE
88N . REFUND IF ANY, WILL BE THE DIFFERENCE
89N . BETWEEN THE FARE PAID AND THE FARE FOR
90N . THE TRANSPORTATION USED LESS THE PENALTY
91N . SPECIFIED ABOVE.
92N . - CERTIFIED DEATH/ILLNESS OF PSGR OR
93N . PSGRS IMMEDIATE FAMILY MEMBER OR
94N . ACOMPANYING PSGR - NO PENALTY
95N .
96N UPGRADE AT ANY TIME
97N . - ANY ECONOMY OW EXPLORER FARE MAY BE
98N . UPGRADED TO FIRST/BUSINESS CLASS
99N . OW EXPLORER FARE WITHOUT PENALTY
100N . - BUSINESS OW EXPLORER FARE MAY BE
101N . UPGRADED TO A FIRST CLASS EXPLORER
102N . FARE WITHOUT PENALTY.
103N . - AADVANTAGE UPGRADE AWARDS PERMITTED ON AA
104N . SECTORS USING AA AWARDS ONLY. (UPGRADES
105N . ON OA PARTNER SECTORS NOT ALLOWED.)
106N . - STICKER UPGRADES ALLOWED ON US DOMESTIC
107N . AND US/CANADA TRANSBORDER SEGMENTS ONLY.
108N . - UPGRADE TO NORMAL ATW FARE CONSTRUCTION
109N . PERMITTED ANY TIME. REISSUED TKTS MUST
110N . BE ENDORSED --NON-REF/XXX
111N . (XXX = OW EXPLORER FARE BASIS CODE)
112N . THE ORIGINAL NONREFUNDABLE AMOUNT
113N . REMAINS NONREFUNDABLE. IF THE UPGRADED
114N . TKT IS SUBSEQUENTLY CANCELLED, THE
115N . ORIGINAL PENALTY WILL APPLY.
116N . - OW EXPLORER FARE MAY BE USED AS CREDIT
117N . TOWARDS PAYMENT OF ANY HIGHER FARE
118N . TYPE FROM THE POINT OF ORIGIN PROVIDED
119N . THE RULES OF THE HIGHER FARE TYPE HAVE
120N . BEEN MET. REISSUED TKTS MUST BE ENDORSED
121N . -- NON-REF/XXX --
122N . (XXX = OW EXPLORER FARE BASIS CODE)
123N . THE ORIGINAL NONREFUNDABLE AMOUNT
124N . REMAINS NONREFUNDABLE. IF THE UPGRADED
125N . TKT IS SUBSEQUENTLY CANCELLED, THE
126N . ORIGINAL PENALTY WILL APPLY.
127N .
128N CHILD/ 1. ACCOMPANIED AGES 2-11YRS
129N . 75 0/0 OF THE APPLICABLE ADULT FARE
130N . EXCEPTION - FOR TRAVEL ORIGIN INDIA
131N . 67 0/0 IF THE APPLICABLE ADULT FARE
132N . 2. UNACCOMPANIED CHILDREN NOT ACCEPTED
133N . 3. TICKET CODE - ADULT FARE BASIS PLUS CH
134N . 4. CHILDREN DISCOUNTS DOES NOT APPLY TO
135N . THE CONCORDE OR WORLD TRAVELLER PLUS
136N . SURCHARGES
137N .
138N INFANT/ 1. UNDER 2YRS WITHOUT A SEAT
139N . 10 0/0 OF THE APPLICABLE ADULT FARE
140N . 2. TICKET CODE - ADULT FARE BASIS PLUS IN
141N . 3. INFANT DISCOUNTS DO NOT APPLY TO
142N . THE CONCORDE OR WORLD TRAVELLER PLUS
143N . SURCHARGES
144N .
145N RULES NOT/ - FREE/REDUCED RATE TRANSPORTATION FOR
146N APPLIC/ AGENTS AND TOUR CONDUCTORS
147N . - AA RULE 755 - SENIOR SAAVERS CLUB
148N . - AA RULE 1810 - SENIOR CITIZEN DISCOUNT
149N .
150N .GROUPS - GROUP TRAVEL USING THESE FARES IS
151N . NOT PERMITTED
152N . 153N .BAGGAGE - THE PIECE SYSTEM APPLIES TO PASSENGERS
154N . TRAVELING ON THIS FARE
155N .
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Old May 9, 2019, 6:33 am
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Originally Posted by serfty
You can have multiple segments (or none) in one ticket.

You can have multiple tickets (or none) in one PNR.

A good TA will know how to use these things ...
How do you have no segment in one ticket? I don't get it...
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Old May 9, 2019, 6:36 am
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Originally Posted by christep
OK, here you go - the *STAR file from 1999 for OWE. There was no segment limit that I can see beyond the 6 in NA, 4 in each other continent, and you could purchase up to 2 extra segments in each continent except the origin. So in principle such a xONE6 ticket could contain 36 segments.
Oh what I would do with 36 segments!!

But I think your arithmetic is faulty. Let's see:
  • 6 in NAM
  • 4 in SAM
  • 4 in Europe/Middle east
  • 4 in Africa
  • 4 in Asia
  • 4 in SWP
  • 10 extra purchased segments (2 in each continent, except continent of origin IIRC)
  • 6 inter-continental flights
  • 3 extra inter-continental flights (for 2nd visits to northern hemisphere continents - where 2nd visits allowed to all three continents back then?)
Grand total = 45 segments ??!!

I wonder who got the most segments? Perhaps we need a separate thread where people can brag (I can't brag - my max is 17, which only happened due to a schedule change)
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Old May 9, 2019, 6:38 am
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Originally Posted by serfty
Back in the pre e-ticket days, a physical ticket was a booklet with 4 vouchers. Each booklet had it's own ticket number.

Your 20 segment xONEx would be comprised of 5 such books of vouchers, often presented stapled together. The five 'tickets' would be recorded in the GDS's under the one PNR.

So 'Many (tickets) to one (PNR)'. I didn't think it could be done the other way.
These conjuncted tickets are considered one ticket. Even today, an "e-ticket" can still only have 4 "coupons," one for each flight, and any open-jaw counts as one. E-tickets still retain all the fields and structure from paper tickets. You will frequently still have xxx xxxxxxxx00-03 or something like this as your e-ticket number.

Yes, it is possible to have more than one set of conjuncted tickets in one PNR. However, it is against most airlines' rule to issue different tickets across married segments. For example, if TPE-HKG-CGK is booked together and HKG is a transit, you can't have TPE-HKG on one ticket and HKG-CGK on another.
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Old May 9, 2019, 6:42 am
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Originally Posted by ernestnywang
How do you have no segment in one ticket? I don't get it...
Was the removal of open-dated ticketing was another "Enhancement" brought about by e-ticketing?
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Old May 9, 2019, 6:45 am
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Originally Posted by pandaperth
But from the OWE rule sheet of Dec-2007 (yes I have a copy!)....
Originally Posted by christep
The oldest rule sheet I can immediately find is 2006, which had the 20 limit. And that was flight segments.
That's why. I was just a child back then.


Originally Posted by ernestnywang
How do you have no segment in one ticket? I don't get it...
If you set up a ticket, input your name, phone, FFNo, etc., then cancel all the flights, the PNR still remains intact as a shell.
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Old May 9, 2019, 6:47 am
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Originally Posted by christep
I'm only talking about OWEs. I am 100% sure that it was possible - my TA used do it all the time. But this was quite a few years ago now.
Very tricky - I believe it is still technically possible for this to be done. Essentially, all the segments would need to be booked in another PNR, and then perhaps you need to change date or something, so all segments are deleted. After a while, the original PNR gets purged, and only the ticket is available. A new PNR is then created, and certain manutal entries are used to link the original e-ticket with the segments in the new PNR.

Another possibility is that when different systems are involved. For example, an agent using Sabre (either a TA or an AAgent) created the PNR and issued the RTW. The original ticket contains LA segments, which is on a different partition of Sabre (so a different PNR). Then, you asked another airline to do date change or re-issue, so the LA segments get further booked into a different PNR because other airlines using Amadeus would create a new LA PNR when booking LA flights.

Historically, most airlines use their own systems, so you have many PNRs and a lot of cross-platform issues (or loopholes). Now, all oneworld airlines except AA and LA use Amadeus, so these kinds of things are less likely to occur.

Back to the question, if someone were to attempt to create two PNRs with segments of the same airline that should be married, I suppose the agent would be looking for an ADM. Sure, the agent may also get lucky and not get caught.
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