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Himeno Mar 5, 2018 11:34 pm


Originally Posted by pyffii (Post 29489188)
thanks Calchas I pretty much expected your confirmation but I am not that keen on JFK-LAX_MEL !!!....Guess I might just have to do it though...Cheers

Calchas was suggesting QF12 all the way through to SYD, ie -JFK-SYD-MEL-BNE-MEL-SYD-NRT
With QF12 out of JFK often delayed, connections to MEL can sometimes be missed with the flight released and MEL connections from JFK moved to the BNE or SYD flight upon landing in LAX.
Since you don't have a US transcon on the current plan, there is also the option of JFK-SFO-SYD, or if after September, SFO-MEL on some days.

QF fly BNE and MEL-NRT and SYD-HND, JL fly SYD-NRT and MEL-NRT
The QF BNE and MEL-NRT flights are day flights north, overnight south. HND is overnight in both directions.
JL has a day flight north from SYD and south to MEL and night flights north from MEL and south to SYD.

G-CIVC Mar 5, 2018 11:57 pm


Originally Posted by wijibintheair (Post 29483088)
Do you mind me asking what price it was out of TLV? I assume the connection to a Muslim country was TLV - AMM?

It was 6200 USD for DONE3 (+1000 for another continent), I guess it's a competitive price nowadays but some veterans here may know better.

It was TLV-HKG-MLE-HKG in one go - yeah just for points for that MLE turnaround. But regardless, I didn't have to present my itinerary before proceeding to check-in so it wasn't an issue.

pyffii Mar 6, 2018 3:36 am


Originally Posted by Himeno (Post 29490702)
Calchas was suggesting QF12 all the way through to SYD, ie -JFK-SYD-MEL-BNE-MEL-SYD-NRT
With QF12 out of JFK often delayed, connections to MEL can sometimes be missed with the flight released and MEL connections from JFK moved to the BNE or SYD flight upon landing in LAX.
Since you don't have a US transcon on the current plan, there is also the option of JFK-SFO-SYD, or if after September, SFO-MEL on some days.

QF fly BNE and MEL-NRT and SYD-HND, JL fly SYD-NRT and MEL-NRT
The QF BNE and MEL-NRT flights are day flights north, overnight south. HND is overnight in both directions.
JL has a day flight north from SYD and south to MEL and night flights north from MEL and south to SYD.

Thanks Himeno for your reply....Yes I am aware of all of those options and have flown every which way home from the west coast and to be frank just hate all the options....As we are retired JFK-HKG-MEL suits us better as we spend a couple of nights in HKG and that eases the jetlag and then the overnighter from HKG arrives at 11.30am a most civil time when Melbourne airport is deserted and from landing to the Limo is about 15 minutes !!
So thats why we are looking to come home via HKG....Currently we are doing DONE5's from JNB but the rand has moved dramatically against us so thinking we may need to start from HND and trying to see if its is allowable to come home via HKG

christep Mar 6, 2018 7:07 am


Originally Posted by pyffii (Post 29491071)
a couple of nights in HKG

This is a problem I believe. People have reported success in getting transits (<24 hours) ticketed like this, but I don't recall anyone every getting a stopover ticketed on similar itineraries.

anabolism Mar 6, 2018 7:27 am


Originally Posted by pyffii (Post 29491071)
So thats why we are looking to come home via HKG....Currently we are doing DONE5's from JNB but the rand has moved dramatically against us so thinking we may need to start from HND and trying to see if its is allowable to come home via HKG


Originally Posted by christep (Post 29491566)
This is a problem I believe. People have reported success in getting transits (<24 hours) ticketed like this, but I don't recall anyone every getting a stopover ticketed on similar itineraries.

The rules say "Maximum 2 stopovers permitted in the continent of origin" so I don't see why it would be a problem to route HND- ... RTW ... -oHKG-oHND.

christep Mar 6, 2018 7:39 am


Originally Posted by anabolism (Post 29491635)
The rules say "Maximum 2 stopovers permitted in the continent of origin" so I don't see why it would be a problem to route HND- ... RTW ... -oHKG-oHND.

That's fine.

What isn't fine as I understand it is HND-<Europe>-<N America>-o<Asia>-<SW Pacific>-<Asia>-<HND>.

Whether HND-<Europe>-<N America>-x<Asia>-<SW Pacific>-<Asia>-<HND> is fine may depend on who you ask.

Wasabi Tofu Mar 7, 2018 11:34 am


Originally Posted by christep (Post 29491683)
That's fine.

What isn't fine as I understand it is HND-<Europe>-<N America>-o<Asia>-<SW Pacific>-<Asia>-<HND>.

Whether HND-<Europe>-<N America>-x<Asia>-<SW Pacific>-<Asia>-<HND> is fine may depend on who you ask.

???
Current rule says:


4. FLIGHT APPLICATION/ROUTINGS

(e) Only one intercontinental departure and one intercontinental arrival permitted in each continent
except as follows:

1. Two permitted in North America.

2. Two permitted in Asia when one is for travel between the Southwest Pacific and Europe/Middle East.

3. Two permitted in Europe/Middle East for travel to/from/via Africa.
If travel is to/from Europe in both directions, itinerary may not include Mauritius/South Africa.

pandaperth Mar 7, 2018 1:09 pm


Originally Posted by Wasabi Tofu (Post 29496672)
???
Current rule says:

4. FLIGHT APPLICATION/ROUTINGS

(e) Only one intercontinental departure and one intercontinental arrival permitted in each continent
except as follows:

1. Two permitted in North America.

2. Two permitted in Asia when one is for travel between the Southwest Pacific and Europe/Middle East.

3. Two permitted in Europe/Middle East for travel to/from/via Africa.
If travel is to/from Europe in both directions, itinerary may not include Mauritius/South Africa.

And neither of the visits to Asia is for travel between the Southwest Pacific and Europe/Middle East
Therefore the itinerary will not be valid

pyffii Mar 7, 2018 6:30 pm

Thanks all...will call AA and report back but I guess the only option is to fly JFK-MEL-SYD-HND....or stay with orginating in JNB and pay the extra

pyffii Mar 10, 2018 6:15 pm


Originally Posted by pandaperth (Post 29497083)
And neither of the visits to Asia is for travel between the Southwest Pacific and Europe/Middle East
Therefore the itinerary will not be valid

Rang JL and they confirmed that this itinerary is in fact invalid so need to fly JFK-SFO-MEL etc....Thanks all for your advice

ccuser11 Apr 29, 2018 3:23 pm

Hey everyone, I started research for DONE4, I thought I share base fare with rest of you.

Airport BF Currency
cai $2,490 (USD)
alg $6,994 (USD)
nrt $7,140 (USD)
kwi $7,157 (USD)
amm $7,193 (USD)
tlv $7,200 (USD)
ktm $7,228 (USD)
OSL $7,272 (USD)
khi $7,388 (USD)
isb $7,388 (USD)
cmb $7,441 (USD)
ARN $7,481 (USD)
AMD $7,499 (USD)
jed $7,602 (USD)
ist $7,685 (USD)
doh $7,991 (USD)
mpm $8,034 (USD)
jnb $8,222 (USD)
dxb $8,506 (USD)
lca $8,528 (USD)
hel $8,528 (USD)
dme $8,528 (USD)
mla $8,528 (USD)
lhr $8,641 (USD)
bgw $8,750 (USD)
akl $8,976 (USD)

Source: ExpertFlyer ; pulled on Apr 28 2018

Can anyone advise if any better ex-pricing point exist, compare to what I have pulled?
Additionally, Can someone share details on why ex-CAI are invalid? I am curious what is the reason behind barring ex-CAI fare? I tried searching but nothing relevant is coming up.

Thanks,

aaupgrade Apr 29, 2018 6:04 pm


Originally Posted by ccuser11 (Post 29696922)
Can someone share details on why ex-CAI are invalid? I am curious what is the reason behind barring ex-CAI fare? I tried searching but nothing relevant is coming up.

https://www.flyertalk.com/forum/onew...w-tickets.html

ACN Consultant May 15, 2018 1:22 pm


Originally Posted by ccuser11 (Post 29696922)
Hey everyone, I started research for DONE4, I thought I share base fare with rest of you.

Airport BF Currency
cai $2,490 (USD)
alg $6,994 (USD)
nrt $7,140 (USD)
kwi $7,157 (USD)
amm $7,193 (USD)
tlv $7,200 (USD)
ktm $7,228 (USD)
OSL $7,272 (USD)
khi $7,388 (USD)
isb $7,388 (USD)
cmb $7,441 (USD)
ARN $7,481 (USD)
AMD $7,499 (USD)
jed $7,602 (USD)
ist $7,685 (USD)
doh $7,991 (USD)
mpm $8,034 (USD)
jnb $8,222 (USD)
dxb $8,506 (USD)
lca $8,528 (USD)
hel $8,528 (USD)
dme $8,528 (USD)
mla $8,528 (USD)
lhr $8,641 (USD)
bgw $8,750 (USD)
akl $8,976 (USD)

Source: ExpertFlyer ; pulled on Apr 28 2018

Can anyone advise if any better ex-pricing point exist, compare to what I have pulled?
Additionally, Can someone share details on why ex-CAI are invalid? I am curious what is the reason behind barring ex-CAI fare? I tried searching but nothing relevant is coming up.

Thanks,

cant speak to the ex-CAI fare, but ex-YYZ (or any Canadian starting point) prices out to $8,442 USD

ACN Consultant May 31, 2018 3:39 pm

SEZ BA rtw fare valid?
 
https://cimg8.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.fly...a4a4e706ea.png
Does anyone know if the SEZ rtw fares loaded on EF are actually ticketable? I tried using the tool to go MLE-LGW to start so it would book on BA, but then every city turned invalid.

Calchas May 31, 2018 3:41 pm


Originally Posted by ACN Consultant (Post 29814799)
Does anyone know if the SEZ rtw fares loaded on EF are actually ticketable? I tried using the tool to go MLE-LGW to start so it would book on BA, but then every city turned invalid.


Not aware of anyone ticketing it so far.

Possibly a TA could do it.

ACN Consultant May 31, 2018 3:43 pm

Have asked my Canadian TA who booked a lot of rtw’s for flyertalkers when it was advantageous to book through a Canadian TA...will report back. Out of curiosity, can anyone here help construct a technically valid AONE6 itinerary that maximizes BA Tier Points starting in MLE?

skunker May 31, 2018 3:57 pm


Originally Posted by ACN Consultant (Post 29814816)
Have asked my Canadian TA who booked a lot of rtw’s for flyertalkers when it was advantageous to book through a Canadian TA...will report back. Out of curiosity, can anyone here help construct a technically valid AONE6 itinerary that maximizes BA Tier Points starting in MLE?

MLE or SEZ? While Male and Mahe are close in name they are not the same country, or even the same region.

Calchas May 31, 2018 4:11 pm


Originally Posted by ACN Consultant (Post 29814816)
Have asked my Canadian TA who booked a lot of rtw’s for flyertalkers when it was advantageous to book through a Canadian TA...will report back. Out of curiosity, can anyone here help construct a technically valid AONE6 itinerary that maximizes BA Tier Points starting in MLE?

MLE is a pretty bad place to start. For £15k + taxes, I wouldn't be worrying about a few tier points myself.

If someone gave you a ticket and you might as well use it, (making this up off the top of my head) maybe MLE-HKG-DEL-TYO-SIN-SYD-PER-SYD-LAX-JFK-GRU-JNB-LHR-DOH-CDG-DOH-MLE. Many of those flights don't have F. But all of them are over 2000 miles.


Does anyone know if the SEZ rtw fares loaded on EF are actually ticketable? I tried using the tool to go MLE-LGW to start so it would book on BA, but then every city turned invalid.
Also, just to be clear,
(1) BA has a twice weekly SEZ-LHR (Sundays and Thursdays if I remember correctly);
(2) MLE isn't even in the same IATA traffic conference as SEZ: SEZ is in TC2 (Europe/Africa) whereas MLE is in TC3 (Asia/Australasia). The pricing on the two cities is unrelated.

ACN Consultant May 31, 2018 5:24 pm


Originally Posted by skunker (Post 29814854)
MLE or SEZ? While Male and Mahe are close in name they are not the same country, or even the same region.

sorry, I meant SEZ :)

ACN Consultant May 31, 2018 5:26 pm


Originally Posted by Calchas (Post 29814910)
MLE is a pretty bad place to start. For £15k + taxes, I wouldn't be worrying about a few tier points myself.

If someone gave you a ticket and you might as well use it, (making this up off the top of my head) maybe MLE-HKG-DEL-TYO-SIN-SYD-PER-SYD-LAX-JFK-GRU-JNB-LHR-DOH-CDG-DOH-MLE. Many of those flights don't have F. But all of them are over 2000 miles.



Also, just to be clear,
(1) BA has a twice weekly SEZ-LHR (Sundays and Thursdays if I remember correctly);
(2) MLE isn't even in the same IATA traffic conference as SEZ: SEZ is in TC2 (Europe/Africa) whereas MLE is in TC3 (Asia/Australasia). The pricing on the two cities is unrelated.

which is probably why my itinerary got screwed up. Yes, I’m trying to start in SEZ, so will try to do an itinerary tonight and see what comes up. TA working on it tmrw. Will report back.

anabolism May 31, 2018 6:15 pm


Originally Posted by ACN Consultant (Post 29814799)
Does anyone know if the SEZ rtw fares loaded on EF are actually ticketable? I tried using the tool to go MLE-LGW to start so it would book on BA, but then every city turned invalid.

Very odd that EF shows you BA fares SEZ-SEZ. It tells me there are no fares on BA, AA, QR.https://cimg6.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.fly...2733d8683c.png
UPDATE: I just tried it again, with only BA, and then it does show me fares. Interesting. I hadn't realized BA had fares, since all my searches typically look for fares on AA.

moa999 May 31, 2018 8:07 pm

Per the other thread - https://www.flyertalk.com/forum/onew...elles-rtw.html
Looks like this is an orphan fare from 2006 that didn't have an expiry loaded

Ravenswell Jul 3, 2018 7:01 am

Latest Pricing
 
Any suggestions for where can I find pricing for the Circle Pacific fares. I'm trying to find info and assuming I'm missing something but not obvious on the oneworld site!
If there are choices about where to buy from, also any advice?
Thanks

SSY Jul 5, 2018 1:00 am


Originally Posted by Wasabi Tofu (Post 29496672)
???
Current rule says:

Sorry just looking through this thread and wondering related question on this "intercontinental departure/arrival" exceptions rule quoted here for xONEx routings

when it says "2 permitted in North America" does that mean i can route Asia-North America-South America-North America-Europe-Asia? I have booked xONEx before but only Asia-NA-Europe-Asia because I thought couldnt go from NA to SA and back to NA before going to Europe - always have a preference to go back to North America instead of flying directly from south america to europe particularly with the limited routing options.

and likewise for Asia - does that mean I can go Japan-Europe-NA-HKG-Australia-Japan?

Gardyloo Jul 5, 2018 7:47 am


Originally Posted by SSY (Post 29939587)
Sorry just looking through this thread and wondering related question on this "intercontinental departure/arrival" exceptions rule quoted here for xONEx routings

when it says "2 permitted in North America" does that mean i can route Asia-North America-South America-North America-Europe-Asia? I have booked xONEx before but only Asia-NA-Europe-Asia because I thought couldnt go from NA to SA and back to NA before going to Europe - always have a preference to go back to North America instead of flying directly from south america to europe particularly with the limited routing options.

and likewise for Asia - does that mean I can go Japan-Europe-NA-HKG-Australia-Japan?

The North America "second entry" option is only for itineraries that include South America, and one of the entries must be an intercontinental transit without stopover, e.g. HKG-xLAX-SCL....LAX-JFK-MIA.... LHR

The policy seems to have changed in practice regarding the "second Asia entry" issue. Previously, one of the Asia entries also had to be while in transit to another continent, typically Australia/NZ, but I'm not sure if stopovers in Asia following both entries are now allowed.

headinclouds Jul 5, 2018 9:25 am


Originally Posted by Gardyloo (Post 29940425)
The North America "second entry" option is only for itineraries that include South America, and one of the entries must be an intercontinental transit without stopover, e.g. HKG-xLAX-SCL....LAX-JFK-MIA.... LHR

The policy seems to have changed in practice regarding the "second Asia entry" issue. Previously, one of the Asia entries also had to be while in transit to another continent, typically Australia/NZ, but I'm not sure if stopovers in Asia following both entries are now allowed.

But according to the rule 4e of Oct 2017, 2 N.American etries are allowed.
(e) Only one intercontinental departure and one intercontinental arrival permitted in each continent except as follows:
1. Two permitted in North America.
2. Two permitted in Asia when one is for travel between the Southwest Pacific and Europe/Middle East.
3. Two permitted in Europe/Middle East for travel to/from/via Africa. If travel is to/from Europe in both directions, itinerary may not include Mauritius/South Africa.
Has this changed???

Gardyloo Jul 5, 2018 9:46 am


Originally Posted by headinclouds (Post 29940798)
But according to the rule 4e of Oct 2017, 2 N.American etries are allowed.
(e) Only one intercontinental departure and one intercontinental arrival permitted in each continent except as follows:
1. Two permitted in North America.
2. Two permitted in Asia when one is for travel between the Southwest Pacific and Europe/Middle East.
3. Two permitted in Europe/Middle East for travel to/from/via Africa. If travel is to/from Europe in both directions, itinerary may not include Mauritius/South Africa.
Has this changed???

Okay, my bad; I see they've removed the stopover restriction on the NA second entry. Good on 'em.

TiredDoc Jul 12, 2018 11:16 pm

DONEX fares ex CGK?
 
Hi

Can anyone help with DONEX fares ex CGK?

Thanks in advance

pbd456 Jul 12, 2018 11:24 pm


Originally Posted by TiredDoc (Post 29968521)
Hi

Can anyone help with DONEX fares ex CGK?

Thanks in advance

CX9865.00 · DONE3Round-Trip · C
ExpandedCX9865.00 · DONEWC3Round-Trip · C
ExpandedCX11252.00 · DGLOB34Round-Trip · C
ExpandedCX11252.00 · DONE4Round-Trip · C
ExpandedCX11252.00 · DONEWC4Round-Trip · C
ExpandedCX12117.00 · DONE5Round-Trip · C
ExpandedCX13393.00 · DONE6

ajnaro Jul 13, 2018 6:39 am


Originally Posted by SSY (Post 29939587)
...

when it says "2 permitted in North America" does that mean i can route Asia-North America-South America-North America-Europe-Asia?

I currently have a rtw on precisely this route issued by the AA rtw desk in 2017. At the time there was some question whether the second entry to North America could have a stop-over, but it was approved by the rate desk.

k_sheep Jul 15, 2018 12:19 am

Urggh the one time I want a RTW out of CAI :( I assume that means even a TA can't book one?

I guess the next best option is to hop to ALG for ~$300 economy and start from there. What a pain!

pyffii Jul 23, 2018 11:27 pm

Hi All,
can someone please help with the pricing for a DONE4 ex HKG
thanks in advance for your help,
cheers
Pyffii

christep Jul 23, 2018 11:37 pm

I don't have access to EF these days, but I can safely say that it will be somewhere in the range "Expensive" to "Very Expensive Indeed", probably towards the top end! :D

ajnaro Jul 24, 2018 8:26 am


Originally Posted by pyffii (Post 30006638)
...
Can someone please help with the pricing for a done4 ex hkg
...

usd 11,305.83

boogen Jul 24, 2018 8:28 am

Done4 hkg $11,306

pyffii Jul 24, 2018 8:55 am


Originally Posted by boogen (Post 30007720)
Done4 hkg $11,306

Thanks boogen....and Christep was absolutely correct.....super expensive and guess no one with any sense would book a DONE from HKG.

Gardyloo Jul 24, 2018 9:14 am

On the other hand, Circle Pacific fares out of HKG are still pretty decent, e.g. DCIR22 at US$5241 and DCIR26 at $6394. Both are cheaper than their Japanese equivalents by several hundred dollars.

ajnaro Jul 24, 2018 12:09 pm


Originally Posted by boogen (Post 30007720)
Done4 hkg $11,306

The 11,306 price is in USD. In HKG it's 88.740

pbd456 Jul 24, 2018 5:29 pm


Originally Posted by pyffii (Post 30007810)
Thanks boogen....and Christep was absolutely correct.....super expensive and guess no one with any sense would book a DONE from HKG.

why? Business travel?

wandering_fred Jul 24, 2018 8:49 pm


Originally Posted by Gardyloo (Post 30007900)
On the other hand, Circle Pacific fares out of HKG are still pretty decent, e.g. DCIR22 at US$5241 and DCIR26 at $6394. Both are cheaper than their Japanese equivalents by several hundred dollars.

KUL offers a better cost benefit ratio. In US$
DCIR22 4953
DCIR26 6043
DONE4 8590

Happy wandering
Fred


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