Trying to find Rule 16(a) 1 and 2 in vain. What I saw was the Terms and Conditions, in which there is no article 16. Could you please provide a link? Thanks.

Sure, -- here you go. Link.

pbd456: No, I'm an agent. Re-issued tickets myself.

a) yes, I'm an agent
b) The first change of TC has to be on BA because only BA published the fare. If the first change of TC were on AA for instance, normally that would be fine as AA also has the same fares filed as BA for RTW (and others), but in this case AA did not have a fare published, only BA, so to get it to price out with the BA fare, BA has to be the marketing carrier for the most significant flight (first change of TC).

Yes, that was helpful, thank you. I don't think I'll have enough time in DOH or HKG to try in person, so will have to try the phone I guess.

My experience is that when you show up in person with a QR ticket, they feel obligated to help you.

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Thank you!

Does the requirement of using a BA marketed flight from TC2 to TC1/3, i.e. from Africa/Europe to N/S America or Asia/Oceania apply after the 1st flight has been flown?

If a travel agent did the original ticketing and the first flight is already flown, would one contact the issuing airline (Sri Lankan in your case) for changes or just contact the OW airline that one intended to use for the next flight segment?

Lastly, do the rules as of the ticketing date apply or the rules of the date that the fare was filed? Some changes are now valid which were not valid even 1 year ago.

Yes, for BA-plated tickets. I believe that it only applies to the first flight ex-Europe/M.E., not the first flight ex-Africa.

The rules of the fare used on the date originally ticketed, is my understanding. The fact that the general xONEx fare rules changed does not mean that the specific fare ticketed has those changes. The ex-SEZ fare was an old fare and had rules without some of the changes.

I wonder if it is OK to start discussing ticketing changes now that the ex-SEZ fare has been removed? I have a few but do not wish to have a bad effect on others who were able to get an ex-SEZ ticket issued.

I'd recommend not making changes until after flying a few segments.

it is a very interesting point. what exactly is the rule for this fare? There has been multiple changes on xONEx over the years. I am now curious what the actual rule of the fare that people had purchased!

The rule of needing BA marketed flight from TC2 to TC1/3 may not be in the fare rule, but rather how Sabre implemented the autoprice for this particular fare. No agent is going to sell this with Sabre auto-pricing guarantee

I actually tried to price it out a few months before and didnt autoprice and had no idea what had changed since last time I priced it.

The change is either via agent or via the issuing airline.

I had ex-CAI ticketed on Dec 1, 2016 and on the same date oneworld allow 2 stopover in Asia if it involves travel from europe to australia. QR digged into the actual fare rule on the fare that was purchased and said
that the fare that we purchased was on old rule, hence denied it.

I know other people had bought who bought it before Dec 1 and able to have 2 stops in Asia. This is the case where the agent can make discretion (or check all details enough). the better the agent, the more likely they
will stick to the rule and know what rule to apply correctly

It was easy to obtain at the time of ticketing, and is still easy to obtain from EF. In EF, do a fare search for sez-sez with a ticketing date of the date you did ticket. In the list of returned fares, click the "Fare Rules" icon for the fare you ticketed.

My understanding is that there are additional rules that apply to all fares, unless contravened by something in the specific fare rules used to ticket.

Be aware that when a ticket is changed, there seems to be some sort of notification to the plating airline. I purchased an ex-SEZ ticket and about a month later, since the fare was still there, had my TA change the dates and the route of the last flight. It auto-priced and I had new e-tickets right away. But the next day BA notified the agency that the ticket was invalid and ordered them to cancel it and refund it, withholding the 5% cancellation fee and the $125 change fee. My TA created a new itinerary and ticketed it, and I of course have not changed it. But the act of changing the first ticket, even though it auto-priced, caused it to come to BA's attention. I'm upset at being charged the 5% cancellation fee when BA was the one who ordered it cancelled, and the $125 change fee as well. But I am afraid of doing a charge-back with the credit card company because I don't want BA investigating and then cancelling the new ticket.

The fare rule seems fairly new to me... (I was worried that it was the rule 10+ years ago).

it allows 2 stopovers in US (after south america instead of one of them being transfer without stopover) and Asia (between europe to australia)

Yes, It's particularly significant when airlines join and leave OW, if one of those airlines is the only OneWorld carrier to serve a particular city.

I did not fully understand the implications last year that allowed for 2 stops in Asia instead of 1 stopover plus a transit between SWP and Europe. This is a very big change imo. And it also states that in the EF version of the fare rules (my copy is from Sept 2018)
The only problem reading the EF version of the rules is that 2/3 of the 2500 lines appear to be concerned about travel within the African continent and within specific Asian countries in the transfer section. I just plan to depart and return to SEZ and avoid the rest of Africa. I wonder if one can ignore the transfers section. Any of our ticketing experts (CALCHAS or JAXBA) care to comment?

I agree

This sounds like an extension of the standard mechanism used to choose the validating carrier.

Personally, and some here know that I'm pretty conservative on this issue, I see no problem. The airlines are now fully aware of what happened.

Are your tickets on ba stock?

Issuing airline is UL, 603..... although the 1st 4 flights are on BA. I intend to fly the 1st 3 BA flights, then redo the whole ticket. I guess that I will have to deal with UL, but may pay a fee for the issuing TA to do all of the work. 1st flight is next year. Anyone changed their ex-SEZ ticket after flying 1st segment? My copy of the rules from EF stated 2 entries into N America is OK, no need for 1 to be a transit w/o stopover.

There are data point that ba is very difficult to work with for ba issued ticket. I have ul and la tickets myself. Will see how it plays out.

I have found changes to a BA rtw ticket trivial, if you are not in a rush, ever since I found they have a rtw department you can email. It takes them a working day or two to assign someone to a query but thereafter responses are quick and phone calls are possible.

(Yes I will have the possibility of higher taxes to contend with of course but for ex cai as mine was or ex sez as it sounds you have there is limited choice)

That sounds good in general, but I am not sure it is a good idea to contact them for changes to an ex-SEZ trip, given the reports.

There were reports of a US RTW desk for BA at (800) 828-7797‬ but I have never tried it myself.

BA has an RTW dept in the UK [email protected] but as anabolism wrote there may be issues in trying to make changes to the ex-SEZ tickets.

That's the one I've used. I had similar concerns re my ex-CAI booking. In that case I waited till I had flown the first sector but I guess if BA decided it was never a valid fare rather than no longer a valid fare you may want to be extra cautious.

Clearly it was a valid fare, BA revisionism notwithstanding. That's what the SABRE guarantee is about. That said, I would have to assume that BA will be looking for any opportunity (excuse) to restrict the ex-SEZ tickets. As I mentioned above, I'm extremely (possibly even irrationally) conservative about this and thus will not be attempting any changes. IMO these tickets represent far too much of a saving for me even to consider taking any risk.

Just noticed that ex-CMB might be worth a look again.

How much saving are people willing to pay for D vs I

In programs that I care, D has much better earning than I for a few airlines.

Indeed! After not having checked in a while, I saw your post and took a look at a random two week trip in April. I'm always in the market for roundtrips to BOS in J. $1,757 on Jet/Virgin Atlantic/Delta. My usual ride on that route, QR, is $4,810.

Only IONE3, no others. IONE3 $5400 vs DONE3 $6000. The only issue I noticed is that I is never available on the AA 321T flights. Limited are flights to Hawaii and the Caribbean Island nations. For BA, I vs D is minor. No issues with I class on IB/QR.
Edit: Spread is a bit larger than I remember, IONE3 $5340 & DONE3 $6140, $800 difference. Japan still best for DONE3 @ $5810.

I see ex-CAI xONEx fares on AA, QR, JL, CX, UL, etc. (but not BA). $7,886 for DONE4, $8,110 for DONE5. Can't recall if they were gone for a while or just jacked up.

Qr had an old fare until it was pulled on aug. A short while after, the new fare level was filed on all airlines.

And now ex-CAI are in hard currencies, no more EGP prices...

How do you tell what currency a fare is priced in? I don't think EF shows it, does it?

IATA determines which currency to use for international fares originating each country.

The list is published somewhere*, presumably it was changed recently for Egypt.

EF does show it in the routing information for some fares, depending on the upstream provider.

* Edit: “somewhere” is Resolution 024a.

EF is showing the base fare currency for ex-Egypt fares
and the fares are still in EGP
Though much more expensive than they were before the fare was pulled, in late 2016

In late 2016, the base fare for a DONE4 was EGP44,000
now it is EGP141,000
prior to the EGP devaluation in November 2016 - that EGP44,000 equated to about USD5,000
After the devaluation is equated to about USD3,250
(see this 2016 thread for discussion of the old fare - https://www.flyertalk.com/forum/onew...w-tickets.html)

The new base fare now equates to about USD7,900
So certainly no longer the bargain it once was

BUT should the EGP get devalued again...