Originally Posted by ironmanjt (Post 36121135)

“on hold” isn’t a concept with Amex. You’ll have a pending charge when they authorize it. That’ll either fall off in 72-96 hours, get converted to a confirmed transaction, or stay pending til it falls off AND be followed by a confirmed transaction. The third is the most uncommon but does happen.

Originally Posted by paul4471 (Post 36121375)

Hey Mwenzi, yes I definitely have a an 081-xxx ticket issued. You're right though on the ground sector I had forgot to count that. So it seems like the online tool and QF have issued a ticket with 17 sectors If the open jaw at end counts as one of the sectors?
I only need date changes not route changes. but as pointed out I'm concerned around being able to change the date of the CTS-xHKG-PER as I am wary that CX wont have through ticket availability. I don't need stopover in HKG I was just trying to add it to circumvent the CX married sectors. I don't even understand how married sectors can exist on a XONEX booking.

If needed I could drop the HND-CTS leg to get me back to 16 sectors but is that considered a reroute?

Originally Posted by Mwenenzi (Post 36121392)

Good you have the e-ticket. Keep checking if flight times change (by the airlines)
*ONE* guru pandaPerth will confirm, but I think you do not count DOH-CAI . Do not need to start and end at the same airport. Open jaws OK, subject to rules.

Originally Posted by paul4471 (Post 36121375)

Hey Mwenenzi, yes I definitely have a an 081-xxx ticket issued. You're right though on the ground sector I had forgot to count that. So it seems like the online tool and QF have issued a ticket with 17 sectors If the open jaw at end counts as one of the sectors?
I only need date changes not route changes. but as pointed out I'm concerned around being able to change the date of the CTS-xHKG-PER as I am wary that CX wont have through ticket availability. I don't need stopover in HKG I was just trying to add it to circumvent the CX married sectors. I don't even understand how married sectors can exist on a XONEX booking.

If needed I could drop the HND-CTS leg to get me back to 16 sectors but is that considered a reroute?

Originally Posted by dvs7310 (Post 36121638)

Open jaw at the end doesn't count as a sector, so you're fine there.

Yeah, CX married segments are a major pain, especially to OZ and NZ from Japan. It is unfortunately though something we have to deal with on these tickets. But for what it's worth, QF is absolutely no better on married segment itineraries. CX and QF both love to have C9 D0 on those. :mad: When is your current CTS-xHKG-PER? If it's not near any Japanese or Western holidays then you might be ok, but if anywhere near Christmas, New Year, Easter, Golden Week, Obon, etc. then it'll be a lot tighter on availability. The entirety of Ski season from CTS can also be problematic, lots of Aussies come up for that, and a fair bit from HKG itself these days.

Originally Posted by dvs7310

Open jaw at the end doesn't count as a sector, so you're fine there.

Originally Posted by hsmall (Post 36122018)

I have a question about open jaws ending an xONEx. it seems from the helpful exchange above that



That meant as I understand it that the trip began in Cairo and ended in DOH. I am not too familiar with open jaws but understood, at least in the BA world, that an open jaw return is permitted if the distance between the two open jaw points in less than the distance between either of those two points and the point of origin. I don't know what the rules for open jaws at the end of the trip are in this case and I wondered whether anyone could point me in the right direction. Is it simply that the trip ends in the continent of origin?

Sorry if I have misunderstood anything!

Originally Posted by hsmall (Post 36122018)

I have a question about open jaws ending an xONEx. it seems from the helpful exchange above that



That meant as I understand it that the trip began in Cairo and ended in DOH. I am not too familiar with open jaws but understood, at least in the BA world, that an open jaw return is permitted if the distance between the two open jaw points in less than the distance between either of those two points and the point of origin. I don't know what the rules for open jaws at the end of the trip are in this case and I wondered whether anyone could point me in the right direction. Is it simply that the trip ends in the continent of origin?

Sorry if I have misunderstood anything!

Originally Posted by steveholt (Post 36122109)

4(c) Travel may originate at any point for which fares are published and must terminate at the same point, except that origin‐destination surface segments are permitted as follows:
a. within the country of origin
b. within the Middle East
c. between the United States and Canada
d. between HKG and China
e. between Malaysia and SIN
f. within Africa
g. between Maldives and Sri Lanka/India

So essentially, depending on where you leave from, your final destination can be adjusted accordingly:
- if you leave from one airport in a country, your final leg can be any airport in that country (eg leave LHR, return MAN)
- if you leave from the Middle East, you can return anywhere in the Middle East. (eg leave CAI, return DXB, DOH, etc)
- if you leave from the US or Canada, you can return to any airport in either country (eg leave YVR, return JFK)

I'll leave you to the rest.

Originally Posted by steveholt (Post 36122220)

I spoke to Qantas and confirmed a couple of things that had been the subject of discussion across various threads in this forum.

1) The rules for ex-CAI RTWs aren't any different than any other RTWs. (The idea that they're being treated as a "mistake fare" is inaccurate.) The prior rules apply. This shouldn't be a surprise, and you may need to HUCB with Qantas to get an agent who honors it appropriately, but there should be nothing for Qantas to stand on here in terms of treating these fares differently.

2) The cancellation fee is 5% of the base fare without taxes.

Originally Posted by paul4471 (Post 36123114)

I assume you were able to talk to someone in Hobart?

Originally Posted by paul4471 (Post 36121019)

Could I get your Expert thoughts please

I have 2pax ticketed and paid for Ex-CAI fares departing in Sep with Qantas. CAI-xMAD-xDOH-DPS-xKUL-NRT,HND-CTS-xHKG-PER-SYD-DFW-SEA-DFW-SCL,GRU-DOH (16 sectors with the TYO change and open jaw). Dates up to CTS (Jan) are locked and I'm happy and total route is good. I need to move dates beyond Jan, some of which are available now and some are 330+ out still. As dvs7310 pointed out to me a while back I quickly realised the CTS-xHKG-PER "married" sector was going to be an issue as EF is not even showing this as a route option with OW or CX as far as I can find and so I can't make date changes. The individual sectors, CTS-HKG and HKG-PER with CX and other OW codeshares using CX are there on many days and on same flight numbers but a through fare in D does not show. ...