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Originally Posted by ironmanjt
(Post 36109717)
If you’ve flown the first segment you won’t be refunding - once they refare to determine your refund it might not be worth it.
However, if you change before the first segment you can expect a refare and significant upcharge. Your post seems to imply all the people calling AA helped bring the CAI situation to their attention. Not that that’s at fault, but we knew this fare wouldn’t last long given the number of tickets apparently being issued. Glad I got a $3700 routing I love - can’t wait to start it in a month! I have to imagine that a significant percentage of RTW tickets on AA are either ex-OSL, ex-TYO, or ex-CAI. If OW felt like they weren't getting good value out of these fares, they could reprice them at any time, as we saw with CAI. |
Originally Posted by dvs7310
(Post 36110187)
My suspicion it that it's now too late to make any pre-departure changes, so plan to fly what you have, but date changes should still not be a problem. As of now, MH is the only one remaining with the ex-CAI fare, which AA can book with, but if they already used the CX fare to ticket yours I'm not sure it can be changed. (I'm not 100% sure on that, but I know when QF ticketed mine it was either the RJ or QF fare and when I dropped RJ it didn't trigger an increase, which the QR fare would have). Maybe ask them if they can ticket a new one on the MH fare and cancel the one you're unhappy with AFTER the new one issued (since we know AA doesn't ticket immediately, you could loose both if not careful).
I imagine that after the dust settles, the existing tickets will get treated no differently than one issued from any other departure point. AA agents are likely being conservative when setting expectations because there hasn't been a massive fare increase on these for a long time. There's no precedence in the past for re-faring on a change after the first segment is flown. We'll see of course and I've little doubt QF will be the least pleasant to deal with, but fortunately for me, I was quick to make the necessary changes right after ticking as I fully expected this fare to end in its current form and am very happy to fly the ticket I have with the exception of date changes on the last 3 segments. |
Originally Posted by slhu82
(Post 36111718)
Share some DPs
1. Asked AA to pricing with RJ as first leg for xCAI, the total cost is 7000 for DONE4. xCAI price is gone now. 2. Asked AA to price xTYO DONE4 as well. $6000. If online tool can issue your ticket, QF will only charge 500 dollars less but online tool has some issue to issue JAL segment so I have to use AA to book. I will probably book xTYO. I used 15 segments and 8 stopovers, I think it is till pretty decent. |
Looks like only BA and QR fares filed for CAI now.
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hm, MH not yet re-priced.
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xTYO from AA or xCAI from AA 8000?
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Airline Insurance Surcharge
Hello:
I am currently building another ex-TYO DONE3 using the Oneworld tool and it is pricing as JPY1,070,980 which is about $7067, which is a lot higher than my current one, also ex-TYO which cost $5600 in Sept 2023. Looking at the taxes & fees, the largest amount is for Airline Insurance Surcharge of JPY186,320 which is about $1230. I don't remember seeing this item before; is it something new? I'm fairly sure I am using the same mix of airlines: JL, CX, BA, IB, AA Thanks. |
Originally Posted by NDFan
(Post 36112089)
Hello:
I am currently building another ex-TYO DONE3 using the Oneworld tool and it is pricing as JPY1,070,980 which is about $7067, which is a lot higher than my current one, also ex-TYO which cost $5600 in Sept 2023. Looking at the taxes & fees, the largest amount is for Airline Insurance Surcharge of JPY186,320 which is about $1230. I don't remember seeing this item before; is it something new? I'm fairly sure I am using the same mix of airlines: JL, CX, BA, IB, AA Thanks. https://www.jal.co.jp/jp/en/inter/fare/fuel/detail.html The airline insurance charge is per segment while the fuel surcharge is imposed on each segment to and from Japan. The insurance surcharge alone shouldn't be that much, I would expect that some other surcharges or taxes are being lumped in with it. |
Originally Posted by skunker
(Post 36111948)
Looks like only BA and QR fares filed for CAI now.
Originally Posted by izzik
(Post 36108249)
Things are changing quickly. As of today (3/25), only MH is showing the lower CAI rtw fares. This is probably your last chance so don't wait...altho TBH if you've waited this long, you probably weren't going to buy it anyway. :P
BA/JL/CX are showing sky-high prices, worse than QR (which is now "cheaper" lol). RJ/AT/QF/UL/AY/IB/AS aren't showing any prices in EF. |
I did a couple of date changes on my (not yet started) ex-CAI DONE4 through Qantas twitter - simple and efficient (although a bit slow - it basically took the whole day).
QF says that there is no D space on JL despite EF showing availability. It seems to me that in practice one needs I availability on JL, at least this seems to match what QF sees. The agent mentioned - without me asking - that itinerary changes will not be permitted on ex-CAI bookings, only date changes. Before departure I understand this since there is no longer a QF fare filed ex-CAI, but after departure this would go against the fare rules... in any case it seems that all OW airlines got the same memo. |
Originally Posted by iwillflytheworld
(Post 36113075)
I did a couple of date changes on my (not yet started) ex-CAI DONE4 through Qantas twitter - simple and efficient (although a bit slow - it basically took the whole day).
QF says that there is no D space on JL despite EF showing availability. It seems to me that in practice one needs I availability on JL, at least this seems to match what QF sees. The agent mentioned - without me asking - that itinerary changes will not be permitted on ex-CAI bookings, only date changes. Before departure I understand this since there is no longer a QF fare filed ex-CAI, but after departure this would go against the fare rules... in any case it seems that all OW airlines got the same memo. |
Originally Posted by danger
(Post 36113092)
I don't think it should matter that QF no longer files an ex-Egypt fare. When you purchased the fare, it did and the rules allow for changes.
The problem with QF is that people have been told already they don't really care about th the fare rules, and there's no one to really hold them accountable to. I'm sure Egypt doesn't have any consumer protection bureau, and have heard Australia doesn't have a strong one. I think it's best to expect to fly these with nothing more than date changes, especially the next few months. I was actually looking for something at the time from DOH to TYO (had a couple of days to play with so stopover somewhere cheap-ish) but wasn't getting anything under $2500 r/t on OneWorld (DOH, AUH, CAI, and TUN fares to Asia plus an addon), so timing on this was very good. Sure it's more expensive but I've now got a second and third trip built into it. But I'm grateful now I got in earlyish and was agressive with QF getting my changes done ASAP as I knew the old fare's days were numbered. |
Originally Posted by danger
(Post 36113092)
I don't think it should matter that QF no longer files an ex-Egypt fare. When you purchased the fare, it did and the rules allow for changes.
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Originally Posted by iwillflytheworld
(Post 36114361)
Yes but itinerary changes before departure trigger a refare according to fare rules.
BEFORE DEPARTURE CHARGE USD 125.00 FOR REISSUE. WAIVED FOR ILLNESS OR DEATH OF PASSENGER OR FAMILY MEMBER. NOTE - TEXT BELOW NOT VALIDATED FOR AUTOPRICING. LOCAL SERVICE FEES MAY APPLY ON REROUTING/REISSUE ------------------------------------------------- REROUTING PRIOR TO DEPARTURE CHANGES TO TICKETED POINTS ARE PERMITTED AT A CHARGE OF USD 125.00 PER TRANSACTION. IF THE FARE LEVEL HAS INCREASED SINCE TICKET ISSUANCE THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN THE OLD AND NEW FARE WILL ALSO BE CHARGED. IF THE FARE LEVEL HAS DECREASED SINCE TICKET ISSUANCE NO REFUND WILL APPLY. BEFORE DEPARTURE CHANGES PERMITTED FOR REVALIDATION. NOTE - TEXT BELOW NOT VALIDATED FOR AUTOPRICING. LOCAL SERVICE FEES MAY APPLY ON REBOOKING ------------------------------------------------- REBOOKING PRIOR TO DEPARTURE CHANGES ARE PERMITTED PROVIDED TICKETED POINTS REMAIN THE SAME. IF THE DATE IF THE FIRST FLIGHT COUPON IS BEING CHANGED AND THE FARE HAS INCREASED SINCE TICKET ISSUANCE THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN THE OLD AND NEW FARE BE CHARGED. IF THE FARE LEVEL HAS DECREASED SINCE TICKET ISSUANCE NO REFUND WILL APPLY. |
Originally Posted by iwillflytheworld
(Post 36114361)
Yes but itinerary changes before departure trigger a refare according to fare rules. But there is no fare to refare (or it could be many thousands more expensive). After departure, it should be a $125 flat fee so denying this is more clearly against the fare rules. But as others have pointed out, if QF says no, there isn't much we can do. Thankfully I booked an itinerary I can live with.
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